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I sort of a agree with what your saying but Stubbs wasn't telling lies. Baines actually came out recently and admitted that he did want to move to Man Utd. I can't find the articles reporting it but I distinctly remember it, he said something like he didn't deserve credit for loyalty or not...

That Umbro kit is from last season when Umbro were just using the diamonds, Lille have got Nike now (same template as us, naturally). The 'umbro' underneath the badge is standard now but it is actually relatively recent design thingy. I think its part of a re-brand since they were sold by Nike.

Even if Vellios does have the ability we think he's shown glimpes of in Everton shirt, I doubt anybody will see it for the Seasiders. They are on a terrible run of form and look as insipid under Ferguson as they did under Ince.

We we're in Europe in 2007/08 and finished 5th that season, and we were in the hunt for a Champions League place for a good chunk of that season. It is possible to have a European campaign and be good in the league.

My bad guys, banged to rights; Ba's loan fee was widely reported to be £3m. http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11670/8903615/transfer-deadline-day-demba-ba-not-going-to-arsenal-according-to-sky-sources I'd still hasten to to suggest that Lukaku is a better player and therefore demanded a...

He got a serious injection of money, £28m from Fellaini if I remember correctly. Davek, you wonder where that £10m surplus from the summer transfers went? Try the loan fees and wages of Barry and Lukaku. For perspective: Chelsea wanted £5m for Ba on loan last summer, they let us have Lukaku...

By the way Goat and Davek, it doesn't just come down to a simple Martinez v. Moyes thing. You're both intelligent, in you own ways, so I'm sure you realise this.

I was NOT pinning the blame of the arsenal defeat on the loan signings, I've never questioned the quality of Lukaku, Delefeu etc. just the mid- to long-term effects of it, which I know others do too. This is a thread about Martinez not a backlash to one result, the result BTW which I accept and...

Is Martinez all that? We've been knocked out of the FA cup at the same stage as last season (albeit in a less humbling manner) and we're on course for the same league position as last season (possibly lower) plus another poor League Cup campaign. The last manager didn't have the benefit from a...

Was that the Sporting match?

I don't think Martinez was lying, there's obviously some cash, we've sold enough players.

I don't think Troare's loan was cheap, I wish we hadn't payed out so much for a 6-month loan of player who is barely fit.

We basically sold Anichebe to pay for Kone. I know which one I'd rather have in our squad.

During Anichebe's last 18 months at Everton he was our best striker, that's not saying much but people seem to have forgotten how much he improved.

Everbody's laughing at Vic in this thread but we basically swapped him for Kone. I know which one I'd rather have at Everton.

Heitinga's wages are obscene plus he only wants 6 months at Fulham, Ambrose, or another alternative, will have re-sale value.

The thing is, he was a proven match winner at WBA and Mourinho publicly said he wanted to keep him. It's not inconceivable that £5m was the going rate, and Martinez with money burning a hole in his pocket paid up. And Zat, if the loan fee for Lukaku included his wages then the loan for Chelsea...

Obviously we've recouped quite a substantial amount of money from the Fellaini and Jelavic transfers and fans are asking where has the money gone. I'm sure their is some left in the pot, after 'operating costs' or whatever nonsense is covered, but I think some people are underestimating the...

I see where you're coming from. If it's true it's a travesty because Moyes sold James McFadden (January 08) and Andrew Johnson (Summer 08) were sold for £15m (Felli's transfer fee). Where did that money go? Either way, I'm sure Martinez will loose a good chunk of the felli money, I'm sure...

Whatever our contribution is to his 120K week wages are, I'd rather we saved for a younger 'fellaini' style signing of own. I doubt we'll ever spend £15m any time soon though.