Yes or No: post WBA result should Martinez be sacked?

[davek]

What a dope you are, you claim that the ones who want him out are the ones who never wanted him and yet you call them disloyal to him, that makes no sense

...buy I'm being told by these same people that they were on board with Martinez last season. If so, then that's a decent charge isn't it?

 

[bigbear]

i agree with you.

The recovery has started but we have barely noticed thanks to one Kevin Mirallas.

If he acts the Christian the other night we most likely go on to win that game in a canter.

I fancy we will beat Palace and then do the RS.

And then we can all start dreaming about Warsaw in the spring again.

Crisis?

What crisis?

COYB.

If you actually do fancy that then may I suggest you get a double on at the bookies.

 

[ianefc]

What was your opinion of him last season?

Never been a fan, but was more than happy whilst he was making me look stupid, never stubborn enough to not take that on the chin, but for me this was always expected, I have been consistent, this is not fickle, from some it is and in those cases I'm on board with you and any other fan, I stuck to my guns last season and that's why I feel comfortable expressing my opinions now. I don't trust Martinez tactically or with what money he is given, he could never buy a defence, he was gifted one last season and did brilliantly with it, but now that has been aged/uncoached he has been found out as expect.

I'm not fickle just consistent.

 

[ianefc]

...buy I'm being told by these same people that they were on board with Martinez last season. If so, then that's a decent charge isn't it?

can't make head nor tail of this, but if you are saying that I was right behind Martinez and licking his A-hole with every post then you couldn't be more wrong, I have been a constant contributor to the Martinez Mask thread and you know that,

 

[davek]

Right back at you. I asked you in the first place how long you would let this go on and 4 yes FOUR post later you still haven't answered with anything other than sarcasm, yet I'm the one without the detail. HAHAHA, you know nothing kid.

You dont have any detail though. That's undeniable. You have an assertion you cant back up regarding 'worst' season due to a variety of factors...none of which you bring forward in any detail. I dont expect you to give that detail by the way. It's not there for you to give.

Your question about how far it should be allowed to go (which I answered elsewhere on here): we would need to be in the unfortunate position of being adrift with three or four other clubs for a change of manager to become remotely preferable than sticking with one who has shown beyond doubt he can master the job.

Most people accept and get second season syndrome. Why dont you do yourself a favour and settle back for it to be over. Martinez is not going anywhere, so cut your losses.

 

[bigbear]

Point still stands though: there are a handful of people on this and other forums trying to kick up a panic about relegation and they're dragging down that path an awful lot of good people with them.

Is that the reason you made up the rumour that players were trying to out the manager, very noble of you but please answer the question as I'm sick of seeing you asked it and ignoring it.

 

[davek]

Is that the reason you made up the rumour that players were trying to out the manager, very noble of you but please answer the question as I'm sick of seeing you asked it and ignoring it.

I've answered that. There''s a search facility on here. Enjoy yourself.

 

[ianefc]

You dont have any detail though. That's undeniable. You have an assertion you cant back up regarding 'worst' season due to a variety of factors...none of which you bring forward in any detail. I dont expect you to give that detail by the way. It's not there for you to give.

Your question about how far it should be allowed to go (which I answered elsewhere on here): we would need to be in the unfortunate position of being adrift with three or four other clubs for a change of manager to become remotely preferable than sticking with one who has shown beyond doubt he can master the job in his first season.

Most people accept and get second season syndrome. Why dont you do yourself a favour and settle back for it to be over. Martinez is not going anywhere, so cut your losses.

Still no answer, if our points per game ratio continues in this manor, point per game, how long will you accept it, baring in mind 38 points most seasons will keep you up, or are you saying that can continue until we have a PL season where that tally looks as though it won't keep you up.

 

[Ihaters]

Yes, we finished below 12th once...in 17th position in his second season. Not a great argument for presenting Moyes' in vis-a-vis Martinez this season I wouldn't have thought.

The difference between the two managers concerning a slide is perception and is THE most important one to make. Because Moyes followed on from that clown shoes Smith who no one wanted around anymore he was given a lot of track to run down before people started bleating. Martinez doesn;t have that comfort. There are a a lot of people around who would see that ginger tvvat back here in a heartbeat and therefore Martinez's slide becomes a crisis far quicker than anything Moyes had to face.

Firstly.. the argument that you were presenting was Martinez over Moyes regarding the stats.. My response was pointing out how silly that was. I think both are on for very similar starts.. good season, terrible season.. ?

And yes the big difference is what preceded each manager, Moyes built us up after a decade of being near the bottom, Martinez has taken us apart after a decade of being near the top.

Its inevitable people will not find this as comforting as you, or in same way better than the previous managers fortunes as you seem to.

 

[davek]

Still no answer, if our points per game ratio continues in this manor, point per game, how long will you accept it, baring in mind 38 points most seasons will keep you up, or are you saying that can continue until we have a PL season where that tally looks as though it won't keep you up.

If our points per game ratio kept up we'd be safe this season.

Pretty much destroying your own argument here.

Well, you had your answer...can have my details on the 'worst ever season' now?

 

[ianefc]

If our points per game ratio kept up we'd be safe this season.

Pretty much destroying your own argument here.

Well, you had your answer...can have my details on the 'worst ever season' now?

New question, what do you think my argument is???? are you saying that staying up is enough, whilst slagging Moyes every 4th Post you are a bad hypocrite if that's your case.

 

[Dithering Dougie]

Never been a fan, but was more than happy whilst he was making me look stupid, never stubborn enough to not take that on the chin, but for me this was always expected, I have been consistent, this is not fickle, from some it is and in those cases I'm on board with you and any other fan, I stuck to my guns last season and that's why I feel comfortable expressing my opinions now. I don't trust Martinez tactically or with what money he is given, he could never buy a defence, he was gifted one last season and did brilliantly with it, but now that has been aged/uncoached he has been found out as expect.

I'm not fickle just consistent.

Thanks, I just wasn't aware of your background on this and my volting skills a crap.

You can see though from an earlier post that a run like this isn't exclusive to Martinez can't you, in fact it's not even close yet to being as bad as Moyes worst run.

We've had worse times than this recently and not panicked and come through it well, considering Martinez is just off the back of our best league season for about 25+ years don't you think he should be given the time to rectify the problems instead of pulling the plug because of a poor run? The positives outweigh the negatives on this for me, I see many worse teams in the league than us so I don't think relegation is a concern but if we back him and he turns it round to the level of last season or better we've got something special and may actually get back to winning trophies. Something that under Moyes we looked miles away from at times.

 

[davek]

Firstly.. the argument that you were presenting was Martinez over Moyes regarding the stats.. My response was pointing out how silly that was. I think both are on for very similar starts.. good season, terrible season.. ?

And yes the big difference is what preceded each manager, Moyes built us up after a decade of being near the bottom, Martinez has taken us apart after a decade of being near the top.

Its inevitable people will not find this as comforting as you, or in same way better than the previous managers fortunes as you seem to.

Why is it silly to underline that Moyes had throughout his time here severe slumps and then compare the stats with what Martinez has done this season? I dont understand how that would be wrong?

How has Martinez 'taken us apart'? Because we wont finish top eight this season? Is that supposed to indicate we were 'together' and achieving great things prior to this point? It's not a scenario I'm familiar with.

 

[davek]

New question, what do you think my argument is???? are you saying that staying up is enough, whilst slagging Moyes every 4th Post you are a bad hypocrite if that's your case.

Ha Ha.

I've got a new question, and I'm supposed to answer it by telling you what you think?

Good Lord.

 

[moyeslovechild]

he simply has to go asap so we can get back on track