WW3

[Librarian]

True, but we’re not really talking peace now either, we’re talking about a Ukranian surrender and a temporary pause in Russian attacks. It makes Russia stronger and free to control Ukraine and potentially re-arm to push in to other former Soviet territories.

That’s all just noise until they all get around a table, now or later

 

[Rita_Poon]

True, but we’re not really talking peace now either, we’re talking about a Ukranian surrender and a temporary pause in Russian attacks. It makes Russia stronger and free to control Ukraine and potentially re-arm to push in to other former Soviet territories.

Remove the 'dictator' in Ukraine and put another lukashenko in.

hitler and stalin made a deal to divide Poland in 1939 called the 'molotov-ribbentrop pact'. This is as near as damnit the same, russia get paid by taking vast swathes of eastern Ukraine, and the u.s. hoovers up the remains of the west part with whatever mineral rights make it economically feasible.

That's why all the talk of holding the 'cards'.

 

[Blue peter]

Well ...... No it wouldn't would it. You have Martin Sheen in '' The Dead Zone'' running your country xxx

Brill movie that

 

[Jamiednm]

That’s all just noise until they all get around a table, now or later

My point is, the talk of peace is totally untenable and hasn’t been floated before because no one accept Putin would accept it. Ukraine are being strong-armed in to something they don’t want and haven’t been fighting for.

 

[NeilMorepies]

Let’s face it,
Trump is only bothered about peace because splitting the Ukraine’s mineral resources with Russia is easier than invading Greenland.

 

[Librarian]

My point is, the talk of peace is totally untenable and hasn’t been floated before because no one accept Putin would accept it. Ukraine are being strong-armed in to something they don’t want and haven’t been fighting for.

You don’t know what will come out of it except the noise you’re hearing.

That’s what negotiations are for.

Not dissimilar to the NI talks, lots of walk outs, hot air, miss characterisations, claims and counter claims. Noise.

Let them talk or continue fighting and then talk at some future point anyway, that the two options.

 

[Librarian]

Let’s face it,
Trump is only bothered about peace because splitting the Ukraine’s mineral resources with Russia is easier than invading Greenland.

That or he doesn’t have a family business there.

 

[longers]

 

[Bryan+]

Funny how trump is threatening Russia with tariffs and Ukraine with withdrawal of aid all in the same week.

One is gonna be harmful to one more than the other, has Russia really suffered economically these last 5 years?

 

[Eidean]

Well
Nobody was talking about peace 3 months ago

The Ukrainians were talking about peace over 2 years ago. Infact they came up with a 10 point plan that the Russians wouldn’t even entertain.

All that’s happened now is more Ukrainians will die due to withdrawal of US satellites & aid. All they’ve done is now given a bigger strategic advantage to the Russians to kill more Ukrainians

 

[neil999]

And there are still 'edgy' people trying to justify putin

 

[Kurt.]

I’m 50 this year guys …. So you youngens enjoy your war… I’ll be lying in my bed pulling the head off it when the big blast finally happens

 

[Durham Toffee]

I’m 50 this year guys …. So you youngens enjoy your war… I’ll be lying in my bed pulling the head off it when the big blast finally happens

Now, if that doesn't get everyone around the table, I don't know what will...

 

[Librarian]

The Ukrainians were talking about peace over 2 years ago. Infact they came up with a 10 point plan that the Russians wouldn’t even entertain.

All that’s happened now is more Ukrainians will die due to withdrawal of US satellites & aid. All they’ve done is now given a bigger strategic advantage to the Russians to kill more Ukrainians

Russia was ready to end the war and withdraw its troops in exchange for Ukrainian neutrality just a few months after the invasion began and was refused partly because of ex-British PM Boris Johnson, who pressured Kyiv into continuing the fight, David Arahamiya, the leader of Ukraine’s ruling party confirmed in a recent interview, published on Friday, November 24th.

The lawmaker is not only leading the parliamentary faction of Zelensky’s Servant of the People party but was also appointed as the head of the Ukrainian delegation during the initial, tentative peace talks in March and April, hosted by Turkey.

They [Russia] were ready to end the war if we took neutrality—as Finland once did—and made commitments that we would not join NATO. This was the key point.

 

[Durham Toffee]

Russia offered to end the war if Ukraine agreed to stay neutral, but Ukraine’s leaders were already sceptical about whether they could trust those promises. Boris Johnson did warn against making deals with Russia when he visited in April 2022, but the evidence suggests Ukraine had already made up its mind before he got involved.

Let’s be honest—Putin’s government doesn’t have the best track record when it comes to keeping its word on deals and peace talks. Ukraine had every reason to be wary, based on a broader distrust of Russia’s intentions.