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Wow. Love the questions, but, wow. How did you have the time?
Here are some answers to these questions, by my friend Man City fan, who where once in a far worst position than we currently are!
Saturday´s defeat at St James´ Park raised so many questions for forum member ´SaffaBlue´, so he listed them...
WHY: Does David Moyes persist in picking a defensive “keep it tight, and see if we can nick one” side? Losing 6 out of the last 7 matches should provide him with a clue that it is NOT working. Because your forwards aren’t even as good as Norwich, QPR, Wolves or Bolton and you bizarrely punted one of your only strikers to the championship
WHY: Does Tim Howard, an established international goalkeeper, not command his penalty area at all? Still a good shot-stopper and one of the best in the league, given that he has Tourette’s a series of involuntary ticks and swearwords may not go down to well with his defence
WHY: Is Tony Hibbert seemingly incapable of throwing a ball to a team-mate’s feet? Standard procedure sees the ball bounce around halfway to the man, and they often battle to get it under control. The player is usually meant to move to the ball….is it soley his fault?
WHY: Are our throw-ins ONLY taken by the two full-backs? Never ever taking a quick throw allows the opposition all the time in the world to re-group. They’re the only ones who have arms? Got nothing on this one
WHY: Does Phil Jagielka persist in wellying the ball aimlessly upfield? 99,99% of the time the ball is coming straight back. It is purely and simply gifting possession. Is this an Opta stat? I can’t find it. Oh perhaps it’s just unfounded criticism. Again.
WHY: Was Sylvain Distin, by a country mile our best defender this season, not in the starting 11 on Saturday? Cos the sulky git is probably plotting another pay day
WHY: Leon Osman? Pace, strength, poise, drive, presence, guile, quick feet, etc. Top class central midfielders should have at least 3 of those attributes. Ossie has only one of them. When he’s on form he can be useful – but ONLY in the middle, never never never ever ever out wide!!!!!!! He has been awful lately and yet still starts every match, and invariably ends up playing wide at some stage due to baffling substitutions. So he has “quick feet”. Fair enough, but so did Fred Astaire.Tell him he’s playing City, he’ll be fine.
WHY: Swap flanks with Drenthe & Coleman for any length of time against the skunks? Coleman was struggling on the right – his natural side – the result was that neither looked in the least bit comfortable. Hmmmm……you know this Moyes chap, with his no Plan B and no experimentation. Perhaps he has noticed that all top teams swap flanks with their wingers so they can cut in.
WHY: Do we hardly ever get a man to the by-line before crossing? You keep mentioning lack of pace so I feel you kind of already know the answer to this way but hey….make the point on several separate occasions anyway.
WHY: Does John Heitinga always give the impression that he’s playing in roller skates? Is this constructive criticism?
WHY: Does our self-proclaimed “secret weapon” only get the occasional 10 minutes on the pitch, every 4 or 5 matches? You have a secret weapon? My.
WHY: Does Phil Neville consistently under-hit passes? These more often than not end up as hospital passes.As a City fan I can’t comment on a ‘Neville’
WHY: Do we never catch the opposition on the break? Because you haven’t natural pace (apart from Drenthe who is new) neither do Chelsea, they seem to do OK.
WHY: Are certain players guaranteed a game, irrespective of form? Because you don’t have the squad to back them up. Janet on Reception is a bit too ‘one-footed’ and has lousy positional sense.
WHY: All 10 outfield players back to defend corners? This absolutely does my bloody head in!!! This means the opposition can send just about everyone up, as they know there will not be a break on. It also gifts the ball back to the opposition. On Saturday, the skunks won a corner in injury time and we STILL had everyone back to defend! It would surely make sense to leave Drenthe on the halfway line? He’s 5’5” so not much use in our box, but fast as hell, and therefore ideal for a counter-attack.No point. Neville would only under-hit the pass to him anyway.
WHY: Are the vast bulk of our substitutions left too late? They are ALWAYS reactive instead of proactive. I will never forget the match in which Mourinho substituted Boulharouz (spelling?) after 15 minutes of a match against Spurs, when Robbie Keane was having a field day. Could you ever envisage David Moyes doing that? Yes
WHY: Is there always a 15 minute committee meeting between Moyes, Round, Woods & Co, before making a substitution? You’re right, that never happens at any other team. Consulting with his coaches,? Moyes is a [Poor language removed].
WHY: Is Louis Saha always so isolated up front? It seems to me that regardless of whomever our attacking midfielder is, Louis cuts a forlorn and lonely figure. The fact that ‘King Louis’ gets a strop on and sulks when things don’t go his way is another issue, and one that has me screaming with frustration!!!! He’s waiting for a Jagielka hopeful punt up front.
WHY: Are the majority of our passes either directly to feet or slightly behind the man? Pass in front of the guy for crying out loud!!! No comment
WHY: Do we persist with what – for want of a better word – can only be called ‘Plan A’. There is not much point in the ‘A’ actually, because there is no ‘Plan B’ or any other plan. If ‘Plan A’ fails, we lose. You have limited means you play to your strengths….basically you’re keeping your heads above water till investment comes along. Unfortunately financial fairplay from your friends at UEFA which was designed to piss of City will actually kill teams such as Everton with investors reluctant to push in cash. But hey, at least Platini has tried to stop nasty ol’ City from stealing any trophies from teams with ‘HISTORY’ ™
WHY: Did we buy Diniyar Bilyaletdinov? You’re short of money and he may have boosted income through shirt printing sales
WHY: Was Ross Barkley summarily substituted and dropped from the squad after giving away a penalty against Blackburn? Howard, Jagielka, Hibbert, Neville, Osman, etc……. Make mistake after mistake without suffering similar treatment. Because if you drop all those players you’ll be fielding a team of about 8
WHY: Does Jack Rodwell look half the player he did not so long ago? Has all of the exuberance and spontaneity been ‘coached’ out of him? Because he isn’t actually as good as you seem to think he is.
WHY: Does Fellaini keep committing stupid fouls? After 3 years, you would have thought he’d learned by now. Last week against United was a classic example. We all saw the ref warn him, yet he still puts in a daft challenge and gets his 5th yellow. We missed him so much on Saturday. It’s part of his game. It’s called commitment when it goes well they’re called thugs when it doesn’t. See one Mr N. De Jong.
WHY: Does it look as if all the fire and spirit have been drained from David Moyes? You get paid a bloody fortune, so the least you can do is motivate YOUR players! Bigging up the opposition & phrases like “bringing a knife to a gunfight” do no good whatsoever! We look beaten before we start.He has always been honest, what’s he gonna say? We’re gonna tear United a new one today the bunch of losers?
WHY: Do we, after almost 10 years of David Moyes, still have little or no natural width in the side? Define natural width? Who are they targeting with the cross? Drenthe?
WHY: Bring on James McFadden? The guy has hardly played in 18 months, and was ****ing useless when he was first here. OK, so Vellios was injured in the warm-up, but McFadden? By all accounts, Stracqualursi is reputed to be the “new Brett Angell”, but we’ve hardly seen him yet, so are unable to give a proper assessment, whereas we all KNOW that McFadden is utter ****e. The new Brett Angell. Lol.
WHY: Do people still cheer when Kenwright’s mug appears on the big screen? So he “Saved us from Johnson”, well thanks for that Bill, but that doesn’t qualify you for unlimited goodwill. Are people really so blinkered and naïve that they cannot see the catastrophic damage that has been done to our once-great club? Yep catastrophic isn’t it? Consistently finishing in the upper reaches of the table despite being hampered by an old stadium with poor commercial opportunities. Ourselves, Leeds and Forest’s hearts collectively bleed for you.
WHY: Is David Moyes and his coaching staff unable to get the best out of strikers? Don’t give me the old “…well they were all defenders when they played” bollocks! So were both SAF & Arsene Wenger, and neither of those seem to struggle with attacking football. Incorrect SAF was a striker and Wenger never played football professionally
WHY: Is a large sector of our support quite prepared to accept an abysmal start to every season? The stock phrases quote are “We will be alright after Christmas” or “David Moyes will turn it around, he always does”. Maybe he has done in the past, but if you carry on playing Russian Roulette year after year, you will eventually blow your own brains out, metaphorically speaking. Your team isn’t good enough, your manager (whingeing ******** though he is) probably is
WHY: Is anyone that dares speak out immediately labeled a ‘kopite’ or ‘not a True Blue’? I approached this season with a positive attitude for once, but this has disappeared due to the garbage that we witness every single week.Not been relegated. All I’m saying. To have that little investment and not to even have been in a sniff of a relegation fight says something.
WHY: Are people still under the impression that we are doomed to relegation if David Moyes should leave? This is of course absolute bollocks of the highest order. Have you noticed the direction we have been heading for the last 6 weeks? Because he’s a good manager and Mourinho is otherwise engaged.
WHY: Am I castigated for demanding that we at least TRY and live up to “Nil Satis Nisi Optimum”? I don’t speak Latin, I suspect that Tony Hibbert isn’t all that fluent either.
WHY: Have we still not won away at any of the so-called “Big Four”, after 40 (yes, forty!) attempts under David Moyes? Does that not give insight into the mindset of the squad? Did anyone see how Swansea had a damn good go at the ****e on Saturday? Which big 4? You dick us on a regular basis.
WHY: Is it that people seem to blame the dissenters, and accuse them of "not getting behind the team" and say stuff like" the team will play better if everyone gets behind them and suppirts them". I am of the opinion that iit´s a ´chicken and egg´ scenario. Give us something to shout about!!!!! Because no fans of other teams can be bothered having a debate with you so you may as well argue amongst yourselves
So many questions…….. So few answers.
Yours sincerely
Depressed, Benoni, South Africa.
So there you go, it could be worse!!
Saturday´s defeat at St James´ Park raised so many questions for forum member ´SaffaBlue´, so he listed them...
WHY: Does David Moyes persist in picking a defensive “keep it tight, and see if we can nick one” side? Losing 6 out of the last 7 matches should provide him with a clue that it is NOT working. Because your forwards aren’t even as good as Norwich, QPR, Wolves or Bolton and you bizarrely punted one of your only strikers to the championship
WHY: Does Tim Howard, an established international goalkeeper, not command his penalty area at all? Still a good shot-stopper and one of the best in the league, given that he has Tourette’s a series of involuntary ticks and swearwords may not go down to well with his defence
WHY: Is Tony Hibbert seemingly incapable of throwing a ball to a team-mate’s feet? Standard procedure sees the ball bounce around halfway to the man, and they often battle to get it under control. The player is usually meant to move to the ball….is it soley his fault?
WHY: Are our throw-ins ONLY taken by the two full-backs? Never ever taking a quick throw allows the opposition all the time in the world to re-group. They’re the only ones who have arms? Got nothing on this one
WHY: Does Phil Jagielka persist in wellying the ball aimlessly upfield? 99,99% of the time the ball is coming straight back. It is purely and simply gifting possession. Is this an Opta stat? I can’t find it. Oh perhaps it’s just unfounded criticism. Again.
WHY: Was Sylvain Distin, by a country mile our best defender this season, not in the starting 11 on Saturday? Cos the sulky git is probably plotting another pay day
WHY: Leon Osman? Pace, strength, poise, drive, presence, guile, quick feet, etc. Top class central midfielders should have at least 3 of those attributes. Ossie has only one of them. When he’s on form he can be useful – but ONLY in the middle, never never never ever ever out wide!!!!!!! He has been awful lately and yet still starts every match, and invariably ends up playing wide at some stage due to baffling substitutions. So he has “quick feet”. Fair enough, but so did Fred Astaire.Tell him he’s playing City, he’ll be fine.
WHY: Swap flanks with Drenthe & Coleman for any length of time against the skunks? Coleman was struggling on the right – his natural side – the result was that neither looked in the least bit comfortable. Hmmmm……you know this Moyes chap, with his no Plan B and no experimentation. Perhaps he has noticed that all top teams swap flanks with their wingers so they can cut in.
WHY: Do we hardly ever get a man to the by-line before crossing? You keep mentioning lack of pace so I feel you kind of already know the answer to this way but hey….make the point on several separate occasions anyway.
WHY: Does John Heitinga always give the impression that he’s playing in roller skates? Is this constructive criticism?
WHY: Does our self-proclaimed “secret weapon” only get the occasional 10 minutes on the pitch, every 4 or 5 matches? You have a secret weapon? My.
WHY: Does Phil Neville consistently under-hit passes? These more often than not end up as hospital passes.As a City fan I can’t comment on a ‘Neville’
WHY: Do we never catch the opposition on the break? Because you haven’t natural pace (apart from Drenthe who is new) neither do Chelsea, they seem to do OK.
WHY: Are certain players guaranteed a game, irrespective of form? Because you don’t have the squad to back them up. Janet on Reception is a bit too ‘one-footed’ and has lousy positional sense.
WHY: All 10 outfield players back to defend corners? This absolutely does my bloody head in!!! This means the opposition can send just about everyone up, as they know there will not be a break on. It also gifts the ball back to the opposition. On Saturday, the skunks won a corner in injury time and we STILL had everyone back to defend! It would surely make sense to leave Drenthe on the halfway line? He’s 5’5” so not much use in our box, but fast as hell, and therefore ideal for a counter-attack.No point. Neville would only under-hit the pass to him anyway.
WHY: Are the vast bulk of our substitutions left too late? They are ALWAYS reactive instead of proactive. I will never forget the match in which Mourinho substituted Boulharouz (spelling?) after 15 minutes of a match against Spurs, when Robbie Keane was having a field day. Could you ever envisage David Moyes doing that? Yes
WHY: Is there always a 15 minute committee meeting between Moyes, Round, Woods & Co, before making a substitution? You’re right, that never happens at any other team. Consulting with his coaches,? Moyes is a [Poor language removed].
WHY: Is Louis Saha always so isolated up front? It seems to me that regardless of whomever our attacking midfielder is, Louis cuts a forlorn and lonely figure. The fact that ‘King Louis’ gets a strop on and sulks when things don’t go his way is another issue, and one that has me screaming with frustration!!!! He’s waiting for a Jagielka hopeful punt up front.
WHY: Are the majority of our passes either directly to feet or slightly behind the man? Pass in front of the guy for crying out loud!!! No comment
WHY: Do we persist with what – for want of a better word – can only be called ‘Plan A’. There is not much point in the ‘A’ actually, because there is no ‘Plan B’ or any other plan. If ‘Plan A’ fails, we lose. You have limited means you play to your strengths….basically you’re keeping your heads above water till investment comes along. Unfortunately financial fairplay from your friends at UEFA which was designed to piss of City will actually kill teams such as Everton with investors reluctant to push in cash. But hey, at least Platini has tried to stop nasty ol’ City from stealing any trophies from teams with ‘HISTORY’ ™
WHY: Did we buy Diniyar Bilyaletdinov? You’re short of money and he may have boosted income through shirt printing sales
WHY: Was Ross Barkley summarily substituted and dropped from the squad after giving away a penalty against Blackburn? Howard, Jagielka, Hibbert, Neville, Osman, etc……. Make mistake after mistake without suffering similar treatment. Because if you drop all those players you’ll be fielding a team of about 8
WHY: Does Jack Rodwell look half the player he did not so long ago? Has all of the exuberance and spontaneity been ‘coached’ out of him? Because he isn’t actually as good as you seem to think he is.
WHY: Does Fellaini keep committing stupid fouls? After 3 years, you would have thought he’d learned by now. Last week against United was a classic example. We all saw the ref warn him, yet he still puts in a daft challenge and gets his 5th yellow. We missed him so much on Saturday. It’s part of his game. It’s called commitment when it goes well they’re called thugs when it doesn’t. See one Mr N. De Jong.
WHY: Does it look as if all the fire and spirit have been drained from David Moyes? You get paid a bloody fortune, so the least you can do is motivate YOUR players! Bigging up the opposition & phrases like “bringing a knife to a gunfight” do no good whatsoever! We look beaten before we start.He has always been honest, what’s he gonna say? We’re gonna tear United a new one today the bunch of losers?
WHY: Do we, after almost 10 years of David Moyes, still have little or no natural width in the side? Define natural width? Who are they targeting with the cross? Drenthe?
WHY: Bring on James McFadden? The guy has hardly played in 18 months, and was ****ing useless when he was first here. OK, so Vellios was injured in the warm-up, but McFadden? By all accounts, Stracqualursi is reputed to be the “new Brett Angell”, but we’ve hardly seen him yet, so are unable to give a proper assessment, whereas we all KNOW that McFadden is utter ****e. The new Brett Angell. Lol.
WHY: Do people still cheer when Kenwright’s mug appears on the big screen? So he “Saved us from Johnson”, well thanks for that Bill, but that doesn’t qualify you for unlimited goodwill. Are people really so blinkered and naïve that they cannot see the catastrophic damage that has been done to our once-great club? Yep catastrophic isn’t it? Consistently finishing in the upper reaches of the table despite being hampered by an old stadium with poor commercial opportunities. Ourselves, Leeds and Forest’s hearts collectively bleed for you.
WHY: Is David Moyes and his coaching staff unable to get the best out of strikers? Don’t give me the old “…well they were all defenders when they played” bollocks! So were both SAF & Arsene Wenger, and neither of those seem to struggle with attacking football. Incorrect SAF was a striker and Wenger never played football professionally
WHY: Is a large sector of our support quite prepared to accept an abysmal start to every season? The stock phrases quote are “We will be alright after Christmas” or “David Moyes will turn it around, he always does”. Maybe he has done in the past, but if you carry on playing Russian Roulette year after year, you will eventually blow your own brains out, metaphorically speaking. Your team isn’t good enough, your manager (whingeing ******** though he is) probably is
WHY: Is anyone that dares speak out immediately labeled a ‘kopite’ or ‘not a True Blue’? I approached this season with a positive attitude for once, but this has disappeared due to the garbage that we witness every single week.Not been relegated. All I’m saying. To have that little investment and not to even have been in a sniff of a relegation fight says something.
WHY: Are people still under the impression that we are doomed to relegation if David Moyes should leave? This is of course absolute bollocks of the highest order. Have you noticed the direction we have been heading for the last 6 weeks? Because he’s a good manager and Mourinho is otherwise engaged.
WHY: Am I castigated for demanding that we at least TRY and live up to “Nil Satis Nisi Optimum”? I don’t speak Latin, I suspect that Tony Hibbert isn’t all that fluent either.
WHY: Have we still not won away at any of the so-called “Big Four”, after 40 (yes, forty!) attempts under David Moyes? Does that not give insight into the mindset of the squad? Did anyone see how Swansea had a damn good go at the ****e on Saturday? Which big 4? You dick us on a regular basis.
WHY: Is it that people seem to blame the dissenters, and accuse them of "not getting behind the team" and say stuff like" the team will play better if everyone gets behind them and suppirts them". I am of the opinion that iit´s a ´chicken and egg´ scenario. Give us something to shout about!!!!! Because no fans of other teams can be bothered having a debate with you so you may as well argue amongst yourselves
So many questions…….. So few answers.
Yours sincerely
Depressed, Benoni, South Africa.
So there you go, it could be worse!!
Azzurri
Player Valuation: £70m
Tell your City supporting mate to do one.
sexualchocolate
Player Valuation: £6m
Great Post, nail on the head with the comment about Russian Roulette, if we've been consistently poor for what 4/5 years now up to xmas before we 'turn it around', pat DM on the head and then Dont do it all again at the start of next season, all it takes is for the expected turn around not to materialise and then we're up ****s creek - I've posted about this before on here and am genuinely surprised at how easily this is accepted as the norm.......
the problem is the turn around is usually through luck rather than skill. what happens if certain players don't get injured, banned or go away to play for their countries, i can't see anything changing in our line up or tactics.
EFCNIK
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You need to unfriend the prick on facebook. The ultimate insult. Do it.
Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian
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Yep catastrophic isn’t it? Consistently finishing in the upper reaches of the table despite being hampered by an old stadium with poor commercial opportunities. Ourselves, Leeds and Forest’s hearts collectively bleed for you.
What have Leeds and Forest got to do with Citeh ? or us for that matter.
Leeds.... led up the garden path by Risdale, then when he deemed he'd got what he could he handed over to Bates who worked out by going into admin he'd end up making more than risdale, a fall from grace through overspending (like pompey) but they were all dandy when riding high and in c.l.
Forest, double euro champs but it all went wrong, for all that Clough did that was ace for them you can't help think that keeping him there when clearly off his bat was a mistake that they are still paying for.
Can't see why citeh put themselves with those 2 though ? Maybe they are just looking for mates, so decided that the fans that everyone hates and those known as scabs will befriend anyone.
What have Leeds and Forest got to do with Citeh ? or us for that matter.
Leeds.... led up the garden path by Risdale, then when he deemed he'd got what he could he handed over to Bates who worked out by going into admin he'd end up making more than risdale, a fall from grace through overspending (like pompey) but they were all dandy when riding high and in c.l.
Forest, double euro champs but it all went wrong, for all that Clough did that was ace for them you can't help think that keeping him there when clearly off his bat was a mistake that they are still paying for.
Can't see why citeh put themselves with those 2 though ? Maybe they are just looking for mates, so decided that the fans that everyone hates and those known as scabs will befriend anyone.
I will explain it simply…..Forest lost a good manager and went down the pan with an average team. Ring any bells with the ‘is Moyes any good’ claptrap being spouted….?
Leeds badly run went insolvent chasing a dream and overspending….compare with Kenwright’s prudence keeping the club stable, solvent and PREMIER LEAGUE.
We were in the second division as we had no investment, had a rundown stadium and had been mismanaged…..
What we all have in common = 3rd tier of English football after being successful…somewhere Everton have never been. The point? Dependent on which path your club takes, it could be you.
To be honest although alot of those comments from my mate where tonge in cheek, he has got a point. We could have esily ended up like the clubs he mentioned if it wasn't for Moyes/Kenwright... I know are situation isn't great at the moment but it could be far worse....
Fassbasstd
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Great post. Some good answers. Valid questions, many of which I have often pondered.
Here's one you could have added
Why isn't there a big broom to sweep out all the stale, decomposing personel at the club, ie Moyes, Round, Saha, Neville, Hibbert, JH, Cahill, Osman?
Here's one you could have added
Why isn't there a big broom to sweep out all the stale, decomposing personel at the club, ie Moyes, Round, Saha, Neville, Hibbert, JH, Cahill, Osman?
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