Why we dont 'need' investment

[mezzrow]

Dunno mate the chinese are getting quite into football. Maybe our overlords will give us a few hours off every week to watch the game.

Oh, the Chinese have perhaps the biggest bubble of all to contend with, what with entire empty cities and the like. That's probably the real estate bubble to end them all. The diff is that they don't have a problem keeping the press out and mowing down the opposition when times get too tough. Anyway, this is veering too far off topic.

Wish we had a sugar daddy to give Moyes the dosh to do some REAL shopping. For sure. Imagine what he'd do if he'd been given the budget Sparky was handed when the cash arrived at Citeh.

Oh. That's practically all some of us do, is fap to that particular line of thought, isn't it? Today was boss though. We'll feel better if we visit that bossness thread jDawg put up. It's boss, lad.

 

[toffeestillidie]

i've only skimmed a couple pages of this thread, which I'm sure is going to get very long, but based on what i've observed, I've seen way too much in hypotheticals. I approach these types of things as an economist, which may or may not be the best way to look at football, but i noticed people are making a couple faulty assumptions.

1) Giving moyes an endowment does not mean that the quality of his transfers will increase proportionally too. He has a great eye for spotting a specific caliber of undervalued talent. The fact that he buys players worth 12 mil by spending 5 mil does not mean he's going to buy players worth 20mil if he has 12 mil to spend. Theres no evidence that he'll get the same level of ability out of the high-cost players as he does out of budget players with everything to prove.

2) The performance of other clubs with investment does not reflect the type of investment we will necessarily get. There are different types of owners with different goals. The Sheik and Abramovic don't care if the club is profitable, they're in it for prestige.

As many have said, its a very complicated issue, and i'm not going to take a stance because as an overseas fan i see a very different side of it than all of you. I've been guilty of equivocating more than once in my life but I think that its the most appropriate stance here. The fact is we simply don't know. If rooney had stayed maybe we wouldn't have had the squad to compete, maybe he would have done a franny jeffers in the wrong development environment. Maybe he would have attracted other great players and we would have won the league in a couple years. Maybe the owner would have realized the profit potential in rooney similar to what lerner did. We hate to admit it as humans but its all conjecture, the only thing i can say with confidence is that if we had received investment, the squad we have now would be completely different, my memories over my time following the club would be different. The thought of losing all those special moments, even if theres a chance they would have been replaced by even better ones, is heartbreaking.

Thats why i'm happy things turned out the way they did. Its not the best of all possible worlds, but its certainly not the worst.

 

[slimspek]

Do we need investment? No, at least if we don't want to challenge for the league. Which I'm fine with, I'm more concerned with Europe and the FA Cup. If we could have even just 5 million to spend every summer I think it would make a massive difference. However I'm wary of these foreign billionaire owners that just throw money at the squad. What is going to happen to these clubs like Man City and Chelski when their owners are done with them? There is no way they are financially stable without thier oil money.

Investment would be awesome just as long as it does endanger the future of the club.

 

[Jamo Martinez]

Start of last season was tough. The timing of the turnaround was familiar, but not the method. The season turned around when Donovan, Jelavic and Pienaar were brought in. He has a forward thinking deep lying midfielder with Gibson.

He's gone out before this season and added Pienaar, Naismith and Mirallas. This team looks absolutely nothing like the one that started last campaign. One that relied on Seamus Coleman running really fast.

Last year's start is down to having a lack of talent. Perhaps you can pin that on Moyes to an extent, but there are certainly outside factors controlling that.

It's only two games so we haven't seen all the evidence. But the squad has been completely transformed.

I suspect that losing Arteta had a bigger effect on the group dynamic/morale than we like to imagine too.

 

[Christiffa25]

Start of last season was tough. The timing of the turnaround was familiar, but not the method. The season turned around when Donovan, Jelavic and Pienaar were brought in. He has a forward thinking deep lying midfielder with Gibson.

He's gone out before this season and added Pienaar, Naismith and Mirallas. This team looks absolutely nothing like the one that started last campaign. One that relied on Seamus Coleman running really fast.

Last year's start is down to having a lack of talent. Perhaps you can pin that on Moyes to an extent, but there are certainly outside factors controlling that.

It's only two games so we haven't seen all the evidence. But the squad has been completely transformed.

Spot on there mate. We seem to be blind to lack of talent at times and instantly then pin the blame on moyes ie defensive tactics blah blah... We improved in January last year, that wasn't down to moyes changing tactics or getting it right on the training pitch.. It was simply down to pienaar Donovan Gibson and jelavic being bought.. Quality additions!

Moyes didn't flick a switch and say right lads you don't have to play defensive now I'm gonna loosen the shackles lets see how it goes.... New better players came in and added the quality shape creativity that naturally had us playing better!

70% is about the quality of the squad 30% the gaffer. 1 of those are a wrong fit or underperforming it won't work. If both are performing it will work!

 

[TyphooToffee]

We all want investment but I for one am happy we have a chairman who loves the club, is shrewd enough to appoint the right manager and, just as importantly, give him time. Villa looked like they'd got it right with O'Neill but managed to screw it up before, unbelieveably, appointing McLeish, who did so much damage I am beginning to doubt we'll hear the 'Most played game in the top division' next season.

The RS situation is a comedy of errors that is great entertainment for us if not for them. When you consider their next few matches are City and Arsenal at home, Sunderland away and Utd at home, then Norwich, Stoke and Reading - all three of those not pushovers for them - before they face us, they will have such a neck-ache from looking up at us they'll be lucky to finish in the top half.

As long as we continue only to sell fringe/injury-prone players like Rodwell (rather than Baines, Fellaini et al) and bring in the likes of Jelavic, Pienaar and Miralles then all will be well.

 

[davek]

Two wins out of 38 games
12 years skint.

Leave it lads...

It's truly toe-curling stuff.

The club is a basket case, one bad season away from a catastrophe. The manager is currently six players down on the threadbare squad he ended last season with, but "we dont need investment".

The lunatics really have taken over the asylum.

 

[davek]

We all want investment but I for one am happy we have a chairman who loves the club, is shrewd enough to appoint the right manager and, just as importantly, give him time. Villa looked like they'd got it right with O'Neill but managed to screw it up before, unbelieveably, appointing McLeish, who did so much damage I am beginning to doubt we'll hear the 'Most played game in the top division' next season.

The RS situation is a comedy of errors that is great entertainment for us if not for them. When you consider their next few matches are City and Arsenal at home, Sunderland away and Utd at home, then Norwich, Stoke and Reading - all three of those not pushovers for them - before they face us, they will have such a neck-ache from looking up at us they'll be lucky to finish in the top half.

As long as we continue only to sell fringe/injury-prone players like Rodwell (rather than Baines, Fellaini et al) and bring in the likes of Jelavic, Pienaar and Miralles then all will be well.

First act in charge of Everton? Hands the failure Walter Smith a contract extension. That's how shrewd Billy Liar is.

 

[Elong]

This thread makes me sad for the future of our club.

 

[Neiler]

First act in charge of Everton? Hands the failure Walter Smith a contract extension. That's how shrewd Billy Liar is.

I can only imagine your fury mate, if he won a trophy as chairman.

 

[davek]

I can only imagine your fury mate, if he won a trophy as chairman.

Fury? I'd be over the moon if we ever won another trophy. You really write some tripe sometimes.

The undoubted FACT of the matter is that it will NEVER, EVER happen under this regime. 13 years this failure of a chairman has been in charge and we have a shoeing from Chelsea in one cup final to show for it.

You think that's a good performance and are happy with 'the progress'? Great stuff. If you dont mind though I'll continue seeing it for what it is: a disgrace.

 

[davek]

This thread makes me sad for the future of our club.

It truly does.

What comes across from many loud and clear: "Ooooh, it's a nasty world out there beyond Bill; it's frightening to take a chance...we might get it wrong and it all leads to disaster. Let's just keep our heads down and appreciate what we have"

When the **** did Evertonians become such utter cowards?

 

[Jags..class]

It truly does.

What comes across from many loud and clear: "Ooooh, it's a nasty world out there beyond Bill; it's frightening to take a chance...we might get it wrong and it all leads to disaster. Let's just keep our heads down and appreciate what we have"

When the **** did Evertonians become such utter cowards?

Erm Cowards, the fans could see that Moyes, the players and the board were trying to build a special team, and we look a very solid outfit, why are we cowards for wanting this to continue? the like of you were crying for us to follow the villa model and now look at them.

 

[thebluefox]

Bill Kenwright. Clap. Clap. Clap.


See what happens when we win a couple of games.?

fuken unreal mate , 2 wins and we dont need investment

 

[harry]

fuken unreal mate , 2 wins and we dont need investment

Morning fox!! its crazy mate, to say we can carry on like we are is lunacy.