Why so many reds

[BBleck]

Any numbers on which teams get the most red cards awarded against their opponents?

Could be that Everton did a lot of dangerous tackling to get all those red cards. Could also be that certain teams dive and embellish yellows into reds, thereby driving up the numbers on the other teams over time.

Sad but true. I'd like to see players afraid to go to ground in fake agony, but the refs will never make the costs of diving outweigh the benefits. See: Balotelli, Mario.

 

[Penno]

It would be interesting to see most penalties as well. I bet we come out last

 

[Stoic Ape]

I was reading Martin "kopite" Tyler's stats and over the last 22 seasons we have had by far the most home red cards out of the premier league ever starts


The red cards awarded to the ever-present Premier League sides in home games reads as follows:

Manchester United: 13 home red cards

Liverpool: 14 home red cards

Aston Villa: 19 home red cards

Tottenham: 20 home red cards

Arsenal: 22 home red cards

Chelsea: 23 home red cards

Everton: 32 home red cards

Why?

I mean we are substantially more than anyone else....

Not a factor

 

[Chang Elephant]

Because we've kept our traps shut and not argued the crap decisions given against us, leading to more and more. Most of that stemming from Moyes being a Presbyterian weirdo and Kenwright a pansy.

 

[Pat's Van]

well can we have the same stats as the original post but include home and away red cards too?

 

[Boss_Blue]

Statistically, via this calculator:

http://vassarstats.net/propdiff_ind.html

Our 32/418 vs the Mancs' 13/418 has only a probability of occuring by chance 0.36% of the time. That sounds pretty significant. But due to the number of comparisons, you must adjust this using a correction. Normal significance level is 5%, so you divide that number by the number of comparisons (in this case roughly 18+17+16...(this assumes all the teams in the PL are the same), and so that's the triangular number of 18, which is 171 (this is called a Bonferroni correction, IIRC). Thus, in order for statistical significance, the chance that any one team has a significantly higher occurence of home red cards than another is 5%/171 = 0.036%. This is roughly one tenth the likelihood calculated by the chi-squared test (what I assume is on the back-end of this calculator), meaning we're no longer significant.

Just due to the large number of comparisons and the relatively small number of red cards, we cannot conclude that the difference in red cards between Everton and ManU cannot simply occur by chance. Had it been significant, that still doesn't mean that refs are to blame, it could be substantially affected by manager or playing style, especially considering that roughly half those matches for Everton and nearly all for ManU are under one manager.

For experiment's sake, had our value of red cards been 38 and theirs remain the same, the difference would then be significant. Or if ours remained the same and theirs dropped to 9, they would also be significantly different.

I'm not sure why I did this, but hey, it's Friday. It's mostly correct, though statistics is not my specific area of expertise. Enjoy the weekend and COYB!

 

[Kurt.]

I blame Isis

 

[JAYTALITY]

I was reading Martin "kopite" Tyler's stats and over the last 22 seasons we have had by far the most home red cards out of the premier league ever starts


The red cards awarded to the ever-present Premier League sides in home games reads as follows:

Manchester United: 13 home red cards

Liverpool: 14 home red cards

Aston Villa: 19 home red cards

Tottenham: 20 home red cards

Arsenal: 22 home red cards

Chelsea: 23 home red cards

Everton: 32 home red cards

Why?

I mean we are substantially more than anyone else....

That's 100 percent Everton that.

 

[Mogwai]

well can we have the same stats as the original post but include home and away red cards too?

No

 

[Durham Toffee]

It would be interesting to see most penalties as well. I bet we come out last

Pen-al-ties?

Is that like a new rule?

 

[Pat's Van]

No

please

 

[royalblue66]

Because we've kept our traps shut and not argued the crap decisions given against us, leading to more and more. Most of that stemming from Moyes being a Presbyterian weirdo and Kenwright a pansy.

And having an Amish in goal

 

[The Hibbert Agenda]

We spent the early years of the Premier League era playing like some twisted Bolton-Stoke hybrid. Our recent record is pretty good.

 

[L4Everton]

Does the red card Cahill got after the final whistle against Newcastle count? Cabaye required a good slap for having a go at one of the ball boys, referee that day was and is a retarded waste of skin.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Loved the passion Dunc and Timmy used to show. Some members of the current team could do with a bit more fire in them. The only potential red card in this side is the 'experienced' Barry for a succession of mindless trips and fouls. If you're going to get a red, get a proper one. Only two players in recent Everton history who stood up to any side anywhere especially the RS. They were on a different level mentality wise to a lot of the current players and this edge often spilled over into red cards.

Quite how Suarez never got a red in his Liverpool career I'll never know.