Why do Evertonians expect success?

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I will probably get slated for this but something that has really struck me lately is how much a lot of Evertonians are self pitiers who expect success when we have no divine right to get it. It's becoming a trait that is very similar to the Kopites in my opinion.

Yesterday was an absolute disgrace from the players and Moyes but does anyone seriously believe we would have gone on to win the FA Cup? If we had gone through we would have been humiliated by United or City anyway. Both those clubs have spent hundreds of millions of pounds and we just can't compete. Just like we're falling away in the league now. The reason being is that the squad isn't big enough and our players aren't quite as good as we all think they are. We have a few players who are liabilities now, the likes of Neville, Naismith (on the right) and Heitinga, the latter who has been an absolute disgrace this season.

I'm a younger Evertonian who is just about old enough to have seen us win the FA Cup in 95. So to the older Evertonians, posts like these are probably hard to read after some of the triumphs those fans will have seen. I view our club as one of the historical and great clubs in the country but when arguing with fans of other clubs, we just aren't seen as any bigger or better than the likes of Newcastle, Spurs or Villa. We've won more than Spurs in our history but what have we done that's better than them recently? Spurs have just beaten Inter Milan 3-0 at home, something we won't be seeing for a while, if ever again.

It all comes down to money for me and we will never break into the top 4 without any real investment. Moyes has turned us around from relegation candidates to steady top 8 finishers but without spending 20-30m each season to add in a couple more players to the very good first 11 we have, we just won't push on. Nearly every other club around us has that luxury which is why Spurs are constantly breaking into the top 4 and going on European runs and we finish 7th or 8th and crash out of the cup each season.

Having said all that, my main point is that just because we're Everton FC who have done all we have in English Football, why do we have some sort of right to go and win anything? We haven't won a trophy for 18 years because we haven't been/and aren't good enough to win one. With the huge gap in spending between us and the likes of Chelsea, Man United and Man City, how are we supposed to compete? Another thing is that we all cry about how hard we have it. We're still 6th in the league. We have it a lot better than smaller clubs like Stoke and Reading and the clubs that are similar in stature to us like Villa, are going through absolute turmoil at their club. How many quarter/semi finals have Villa or Newcastle etc been in in recent years? How many times have Villa got to go away to Nuremburg, Lisbon etc (yes we got humiliated there too :lol: but at least we got to go).

We need to carry on getting behind the team (like we have done excellently all season by the way - home crowds have been good and away numbers have been unbelievable) and realise that where we are at the moment is realistic for the resources we have got. It could be alot better obviously, but it could also be a lot worse.
 

When I see the likes of swansea winning trophies then why should i not expect a club like ours to challenge for trophies??
 
I tell you what I expect

Heart,Fight,Drive,Desire and commitment

None of these where shown yesterday
 
I expect success because I've never seen us have any and we are the 7th most successful team in the history of English football.

But as Del said I expect hard work and commitment first, and that was not the case yesterday.
 

I will probably get slated for this but something that has really struck me lately is how much a lot of Evertonians are self pitiers who expect success when we have no divine right to get it. It's becoming a trait that is very similar to the Kopites in my opinion.

Yesterday was an absolute disgrace from the players and Moyes but does anyone seriously believe we would have gone on to win the FA Cup? If we had gone through we would have been humiliated by United or City anyway. Both those clubs have spent hundreds of millions of pounds and we just can't compete. Just like we're falling away in the league now. The reason being is that the squad isn't big enough and our players aren't quite as good as we all think they are. We have a few players who are liabilities now, the likes of Neville, Naismith (on the right) and Heitinga, the latter who has been an absolute disgrace this season.

I'm a younger Evertonian who is just about old enough to have seen us win the FA Cup in 95. So to the older Evertonians, posts like these are probably hard to read after some of the triumphs those fans will have seen. I view our club as one of the historical and great clubs in the country but when arguing with fans of other clubs, we just aren't seen as any bigger or better than the likes of Newcastle, Spurs or Villa. We've won more than Spurs in our history but what have we done that's better than them recently? Spurs have just beaten Inter Milan 3-0 at home, something we won't be seeing for a while, if ever again.

It all comes down to money for me and we will never break into the top 4 without any real investment. Moyes has turned us around from relegation candidates to steady top 8 finishers but without spending 20-30m each season to add in a couple more players to the very good first 11 we have, we just won't push on. Nearly every other club around us has that luxury which is why Spurs are constantly breaking into the top 4 and going on European runs and we finish 7th or 8th and crash out of the cup each season.

Having said all that, my main point is that just because we're Everton FC who have done all we have in English Football, why do we have some sort of right to go and win anything? We haven't won a trophy for 18 years because we haven't been/and aren't good enough to win one. With the huge gap in spending between us and the likes of Chelsea, Man United and Man City, how are we supposed to compete? Another thing is that we all cry about how hard we have it. We're still 6th in the league. We have it a lot better than smaller clubs like Stoke and Reading and the clubs that are similar in stature to us like Villa, are going through absolute turmoil at their club. How many quarter/semi finals have Villa or Newcastle etc been in in recent years? How many times have Villa got to go away to Nuremburg, Lisbon etc (yes we got humiliated there too :lol: but at least we got to go).

We need to carry on getting behind the team (like we have done excellently all season by the way - home crowds have been good and away numbers have been unbelievable) and realise that where we are at the moment is realistic for the resources we have got. It could be alot better obviously, but it could also be a lot worse.

We've been to a final and two SFs in that time and witnessed clubs with smaller resources than us actually go on and win a trophy. It's not exactly asking for us to go and beat Barcelona in the CL over two legs each year.
 
Also we are suppose to a sought after manager who everyone respects and praises to the hilt , & is on 4 million a year - he & the team let every blue down yesterday out thought { by the opposition manager - poor team set up - team too old as youngsters have not been given the chance - walter smith was instantly sacked with a performance like that!
 
Very good post indeed.

Money is a major issue, but I dont think 1 Evertonian expect us to ever win the league, but when it comes to Cups we still should be doing better.

The league cup this year was won by Swansea, now as much as we have a very good history, we have NEVER won that EVER. Why not? Why can Swansea win it and not us if we are a better team?

The FA Cup was for the taking this year because in the last couple of years we have held our own against City, United and Chelsea, so its not totally out of the question that we couldnt beat any of them in the final if we had have made it.

The last cup we won in 95, we had a pretty poor team in my view, but still managed to win it cause we had a manager who is a "winner". Moyes is NOT a winner, he had done a brilliant job in getting us top 6/7 finishes, but a winner he isnt.

As I said, Everton fans dont expect league titles, but we expect our highly paid players and manager to go out against teams like winning, and do what everyone else expects..... and ****ing whop them!
 
im realistic and know we are not going to win the league but when at home in 1 game from wembley against wigan and we play like we did something is wrong. when something is wrong you change it and something is wrong with david moyes
 

I don't expect success. I expect us to believe we can achieve success. There is a difference. The players we have are capable of achieving success, if managed in the correct way.
 
Mate... Isn't the whole point of supporting a team to expect and hope for some success.... Why bother if you expect nothing... What drives a fan is the hope that one day they will taste success in some form or the other... We have been in a better position recently to achieve something than for a long time..
 

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