JLW
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No we weren’t! We was in an awful run of form.
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No we were not. Really. Stop it now. We just weren't. In Unsworth's 5 games in charge, we took 7 points; there are ELEVEN teams in the league who have taken less than 7 points from their last 5 games. Eleven. Just think about that for a second. More than half the league is on a run of form worse than the one we thought proved our caretaker manager was out of his depth.
In the Watford game the fans took control of that team and reminded the lazy so and so’s what Evertonian expect.
Allardyce’s influence was all over the West Ham win.
I wanted Unsworth to succeed but he would not have picked up the points that Allardyce has done since rocking up in town.
Firstly, to give Unsworth no credit at all is rubbish, disrespectful and downright embarrassing for an Everton fan. What 'influence' Allardyce can have had when he only flew into the country the day before and can't have spent more than 10 minutes with the players before the game I don't know.
Secondly, you have unsurprisingly failed to grasp the actual point that I was making. I'm not saying Unsworth was the answer - I repeatedly said he wasn't both before he was given the reins and while he had them - but that the vast majority of the league is rubbish and we were always likely to push away from the bottom simply by virtue of being the 'least worst'. That 11 teams are currently on runs worse than we were on prior to the change of manager is pretty pertinent when deciding how likely we were to go down I think. What we thought was the nadir is the norm for half the league.
Why unsurprisingly did I fail to grasp your point? Is it because I’m a disrespectful and embarrassing Everton fan as you suggest?
My point was that those players were not playing to their potential for Unsworth, the proof being the sudden upturn in form once a new name is confirmed. My critique is of the players not Unsworth.
But I can accept you didn’t grasp that matey.
Abraders
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Considering his effect and influence on the west ham game.
Very lucky in the prior home win to that.
Stanley Parker
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We weren't very good! Yes, we picked up some points, but we rather rode our luck too.
Everton 3 Watford 2
Watford's goalkeeper went off injured.
Niasse deflected ball with his bum to score.
Cleverley missed last minute penalty.
Crystal Palace 2 Everton 2
Niasse won penalty, but was later suspended for diving.
Everton 1 Atalanta 5
Southampton 4 Everton 1
Everton 4 West Ham 0
Rooney scored hat trick including wonder goal.
Players had to play for their places as Allardyce watched.
We have improved, but our good luck has continued in away games at Liverpool and Newcastle.
I don’t know why you didn’t grasp it mate, you’d be best placed to answer that surely? If you mean why is it unsurprising to me, I Didn’t mean it personally, more that your post suggested a belief rather than something backed up by logic or facts, so I wasn’t surprised that you skirted over that side of my post and reverted to making seemingly baseless assumptions.
You’ve now gone on to say that Unsworth wasn’t getting the team to play to it’s potential. I agree, but my point was that even when not reaching their potential, the team was still picking up points at a better rate most of its competitors. This goes some way to refuting the point you made about us being on our way to relegation.
I don’t think either of us know what effect he had on the West Ham game do we? I can buy that having a potential permanent manager watching woke a few up, but I don’t think there’s been anything to suggest he had any say on the team,tactics or subs that i’ve seen.
Lucky against Watford yes, a bit like yesterday and Sunday I suppose.
The last sentence is all you need there really.
We've done well since he came in but I was honestly not scared of relegation before that.
If you put Coleman ,Keane ,Baines /New LB , Bolassie , Hopefully Barkley and a new CF that’s six quality players straight into the first 11
We have a big squad and if it’s trimmed and added to properly top 7 can be achieved.
Burnley have a small squad , already Brady is a loss for them
Games thick and fast over Christmas and the heavy pitches of Jan /Feb and they will fall off
Arsenal are hit and miss and Europa to come
The RS are erratic and I don’t see anybody outside the Sky 6 with a good a squad as ours
I had no confidence at all in our over paid primadonnas staying up under Unsworth.
We definitely needed a new voice to make them buck up their ideas and the mini renaissance is illustrating that.
..the other bonus is that we’re no longer in EL. I’m sure the coaches will appreciate working with the players and fully preparing for weekend games.
I agree with you, frankly its embarrassing to read all these posts saying that we were going down before Allardyce took over. We'd had a horrendous run of games and gone up in the league from 18th when Unsworth took over to 13th when he left. What happened, in my opinion, is that Unsworth after some experimentation, got the balance of the side right. We looked balanced in both defence and midfield during that West Ham game. Holgate came of age as a centre half and developed an understanding with Williams. The midfield looked balance with Rooney, Gueye and Davies. It's still the best football we've played all season.
We have also had an easy run of games (derby accepted) with games at home against two struggling teams, and an away game against a team in relegation form and a game against some part timers in the Europa. So finally getting the balance of the defence and midfield right plus a couple of winnable games at home meant that we were able to get some confidence and momentum. I think we would have carried on picking up under Unsworth to be honest.
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