Who was our last decent skipper?

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Mike Lyons.Not the greatest player but total commitment to the Everton cause in any position.So many heartbreaking moments during his Everton career. So unlucky not to win anything.
 
For most fans a great captain will only be great if they're in a successful, winning team but if you've got awful players around you it doesn't matter how good you are as captain, you can only do so much.
A club captain is doing their job 7 days a week, not just for the 90 minutes we see them on the pitch so fans will never know how good a captain they are.
Kevin Ratcliffe was undoubtedly a great captain but he was lucky enough to have a fantastic set of players around him at the time. Dave Watson lifted the FA Cup but league results at the time were awful.
I've personally never been a fan of big Dunc but I have to assume that he's pretty good behind the scenes to have been at the club so long in several different roles.
 

Jagielka, I think has been a tremendous servant, he's also a cracking bloke. You never hear negative press about Jagielka, and he's always got time for the fans, but he hasn't got a clue what it is to be an Everton captain, for me he just doesn't get it. He's too timid. You need a little snide sometimes, and he is regularly doing the opposite.

I feel that when the going gets tough, Jagielka really isn't the fella you want to motivate the players, more the type who'd pat you on the back and tell you to "Have a Good Day".
 
Sorry...no..a great trier but never won anything in his Everton career.

Don't think winning a trophy in their career has any bearing on whether someone was a great captain. Howard Kendall won nothing in his time as captain but he was a great leader in that post-Ball, fag end of the Catterick era.

Kevin Ratcliffe won everything as captain but he was leading a great team which also had lots of unofficial captains in the likes of Reidy, Gray, Southall etc.
 
The last few have been a nightmare. Neville didn’t even care about the club and Jagielka thinks a top ten finish means himmans the players are exempt from any criticism at all.

That's so wrong about Neville. To me, his season defining tackle on Ronaldo was the stuff that captains are made of. Some areas of the crowd consistenly gave him stick because he was from United. His signing was one of Moyes better moments and we got good value out of Neville. He did go on a season to long, but at least he then had the grace to admit he was done for and retire.
 
That's so wrong about Neville. To me, his season defining tackle on Ronaldo was the stuff that captains are made of. Some areas of the crowd consistenly gave him stick because he was from United. His signing was one of Moyes better moments and we got good value out of Neville. He did go on a season to long, but at least he then had the grace to admit he was done for and retire.

I didn’t mind him as a player. He was a top pro and a decent player. But for me your captain sets the tone and the culture for the team and when he was constantly talking about how it wasn’t the same as united etc and our expectations were different that culture filters to the other players. Jagielka is the same, in his interviews last season he was genuinely annoyed and perplexed by the criticism as he thought 8th was a good job. We won’t win anything if this is the culture from the top down. You need an owner who wants to win things, a CEO to carry that out, a manager who wants to win things, and a captain who can take that vision into the pitch in the playing squad.

Everton had Bill Kenwright who had zero interest in us winning anything, Robert Elstone who got a nosebleed if we went above 7th, Moyes/Koeman/Allardyce who thought we didn’t deserve as a club to be higher than certain other clubs, then captains like Neville and Jags who actually agreed with them.
 

I didn’t mind him as a player. He was a top pro and a decent player. But for me your captain sets the tone and the culture for the team and when he was constantly talking about how it wasn’t the same as united etc and our expectations were different that culture filters to the other players. Jagielka is the same, in his interviews last season he was genuinely annoyed and perplexed by the criticism as he thought 8th was a good job. We won’t win anything if this is the culture from the top down. You need an owner who wants to win things, a CEO to carry that out, a manager who wants to win things, and a captain who can take that vision into the pitch in the playing squad.

Everton had Bill Kenwright who had zero interest in us winning anything, Robert Elstone who got a nosebleed if we went above 7th, Moyes/Koeman/Allardyce who thought we didn’t deserve as a club to be higher than certain other clubs, then captains like Neville and Jags who actually agreed with them.

Just starting dialysis so can't get into whether BK had no interest in us winning anything...but maybe later....!!!:)
 
Love threads like this. Helps me forget the last two seasons :)

But to buck the slight trend of nostalgia I would say Seamus Colemen's in the box seat for me, cos:

a) His recovery from injury
b) His form on return from injury
c) His general air of pace, a wee bit of snarl and 100% effort - despite that horror break. Amazing.

Totally embodies the effort and drive I think the captains on this list did in the years under Moyes etc when we were a threat to the top 6.

With a few of the Sky 6 likely to take time finding form after the World Cup and with new or outrightly miserable Mgt, a stout, hard working Everton with no Europe fatigue and a few goals in it can threaten. But having players with Coleman's presence that demand and embody that effort is a must. Give him a run.
 
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