Where does the problem lie?

[jceverton]

I could also argue that you're cherry picking as you have left out the 3 Cup defeats under his stint. 2 of which were pathetic defeats where we conceded 8 goals and he bizarrely opted to play our £45m signing up front and lump balls to him.

The West Ham game was a one off. Fair play to Unsworth for getting that victory but 5 defeats in 8 was a poor return from him and there were no signs before that game that things were about to change.

The Southampton defeat was one of the most abject displays i've ever seen from an Everton side. Truly pathetic and the players needed someone to come in to get them back to basics which the new manager has done on the whole.

Well we’re talking about the league and whether we were going down and it’s also clear that Unsworth sacrificed the Europa league. Not sure why the West Ham game was a one off other than to fit your argument. That was the first game when we finally had a balanced side. A balanced side that Allardyce then played to pick up a few wins.

 

[TraffordBlue]

Well we’re talking about the league and whether we were going down and it’s also clear that Unsworth sacrificed the Europa league. Not sure why the West Ham game was a one off other than to fit your argument. That was the first game when we finally had a balanced side. A balanced side that Allardyce then played to pick up a few wins.

I say it was a one off because it's the only time we have comfortably beaten a side by a big margin this season and doesn't gloss over the fact that Unsworth had a poor record of 5 defeats in 8, and continuously made the same mistakes as Koeman and failed to sort out our defence. Also, whilst Unsworth can take credit for the win, it was an unusual circumstance in that the players knew that the new manager was watching from the stands. The players weren't playing for Unsworth (disgraceful really) and rolled over in many of the matches that he was in charge for.

As a result, the club needed to appoint someone who would realistically come and maintain our top flight status which was looking potentially in jeopardy and would have had severe consequences for the future of our club given we want to move to a new Stadium.

Of course we'd all like a Simeone but it was a delusional suggestion and Allardyce was the best and most realistic option at the time.

 

[Raino85]

The problem lies in social media, 24 hour news, and the meffs at toffee tv and the blue room etc churning out so much stuff.

2 defeats on the bounce (will probably be 4 in total) but after that we will win a few and all will be rosy again, its been that for the laast 4 years.

Tom Davies will be great, then over rated, then great, then terrible, then injured, then terrible, then great, then the best thing ever, then transfered, then we didnt need him anyway.

We need an era of stability, and that starts with the fans, we cant go heads rolling after a few defeats, just like we cant think we are going to win the league after a few wins.
We have had a poor season in terms of out of the cups and the almost impossible start we had, but we just need to see it through, which we will easily, we need to not knee jerk and take our time building a proper squad, proper team.
I've heard people wanting 5 signings this window, thats mental!

Everyone is so bi polar in football at the moment and its not just us.
The RS were going nuts after 2 draws vrs us and west brom, some even questioning Klopps position there
Same has just happened for Mourinho & Conte at different points this term, even Guardiola last season.

Ranieri won the league with leicester- yes leicester and got sacked the following year, the panic set in with the club & THE PLAYERS (most importantly and the previous season got forgotten because players are not that broght and listen to the stuff they spout on talksport and jim white tv etc.

 

[Blue Juice]

Let's be honest, a lot of the club is completely rancid and has been for a while.

Trying to pick who's at fault for this season's failings as with most other seasons failings would give you a list a mile long

 

[jceverton]

I say it was a one off because it's the only time we have comfortably beaten a side by a big margin this season and doesn't gloss over the fact that Unsworth had a poor record of 5 defeats in 8, and continuously made the same mistakes as Koeman and failed to sort out our defence. Also, whilst Unsworth can take credit for the win, it was an unusual circumstance in that the players knew that the new manager was watching from the stands. The players weren't playing for Unsworth (disgraceful really) and rolled over in many of the matches that he was in charge for.

As a result, the club needed to appoint someone who would realistically come and maintain our top flight status which was looking potentially in jeopardy and would have had severe consequences for the future of our club given we want to move to a new Stadium.

Of course we'd all like a Simeone but it was a delusional suggestion and Allardyce was the best and most realistic option at the time.

Okay mate we’ll have to agree to differ. Allardyce has to only be here till the end of the season and we shouldn’t be spending any big money. In the meantime if we are going to stick with current model we need get a proper DOF in who can identify the way we want to play and get the right manager recruited this summer.

 

[Raino85]

I say it was a one off because it's the only time we have comfortably beaten a side by a big margin this season and doesn't gloss over the fact that Unsworth had a poor record of 5 defeats in 8, and continuously made the same mistakes as Koeman and failed to sort out our defence. Also, whilst Unsworth can take credit for the win, it was an unusual circumstance in that the players knew that the new manager was watching from the stands. The players weren't playing for Unsworth (disgraceful really) and rolled over in many of the matches that he was in charge for.

As a result, the club needed to appoint someone who would realistically come and maintain our top flight status which was looking potentially in jeopardy and would have had severe consequences for the future of our club given we want to move to a new Stadium.

Of course we'd all like a Simeone but it was a delusional suggestion and Allardyce was the best and most realistic option at the time.

I dont really know what point im making but i always thought unsworth was dealt an unfair hand and Allardyce a fairly easy one

Unsowrths 5 defeats were Chealsea (a), Lyon (a), leicester (a), Atlanta (h) and southampton (a)

Judging on our performances under allardyce how many of them would you think we would of picked up points from,
on the other hand
Huddersfield (H), Limossol (a), liverpool (a), newcastle (a), swansea (H), Chelsea (h) and west brom (a), how many points would unsworth of got do you think compared to Allardyces 15 (im counting limassol as 3 points)

 

[CRIMHEAD]

People have said it well. The summer spending spree was not responsible in terms of creating a squad. Most on here knew we needed a CF and a CB/LB and would've liked a winger with pace. Klaassen was the one buy that just seemed unecessary and should be offloaded. Agreed that many were a bit expensive for what we were getting. HOWEVER, although transactions costs are high in buying players, they can be offloaded and we did get SOME value - Sandro and Henry in particular.

Beyond that, another way to think of things...we are getting zero production from quite a few players that can eventually be sold. Mirallas, Klaassen, Sandro, Ross, Mori, Coleman, McCarthy, Robles, etc. We'd obvious keep a lot of these folks, but that's probably 125M right there that we are getting nothing from. Zero.

The question is are we confident in the current management team buying more intelligently? Because they money will be there from Mosh + player sales.

 

[CRIMHEAD]

I dont really know what point im making but i always thought unsworth was dealt an unfair hand and Allardyce a fairly easy one

Unsowrths 5 defeats were Chealsea (a), Lyon (a), leicester (a), Atlanta (h) and southampton (a)

Judging on our performances under allardyce how many of them would you think we would of picked up points from,
on the other hand
Huddersfield (H), Limossol (a), liverpool (a), newcastle (a), swansea (H), Chelsea (h) and west brom (a), how many points would unsworth of got do you think compared to Allardyces 15 (im counting limassol as 3 points)

It's more than that. Unsworth had no hammer. No one had to listen to him, someone was always going to replace him.

 

[Raino85]

It's more than that. Unsworth had no hammer. No one had to listen to him, someone was always going to replace him.

Very true mate, i think the players decided he wasent getting the job (around the time of Lyon/Atalanta) and didnt perform for him at all, hence the terrible results, plus his niavity defensivly sometimes didnt help.

I think my point being probably was Allardyce has had a very very easy start, weras with unsworths first few fixtures and Schneiderfraud & Mirallas patrolling finch farm for members of the "whats the point in trying club" he was probably doomed before he started

 

[Bluerover]

It is completely unacceptable for any Everton player to go out on the field in the RBJ and give anything less than 100%.

Maybe I am old and maybe I am still remembering Ball. Labone, Ratcliffe, Reid, but I completely dismiss the journeymen who wear our jersey at the moment and seem to regard this Club as another ATM.

One of the few exceptions is Seamus Coleman who absolutely bleeds what this club is about.

 

[Achilles Heel]

They were all trying to polish a terrible turd that is bloated,lop-sided and travelling in the only way a turd does...down.

RK is culpable as he was implicit in its design, although no doubt the lack of striker and covering centre-back were probably a surprise to him.

Unsworth was probably trying to polish it as a popular old boy from the backroom staff, hoping that the players would play for him and raise their performances. Trouble is that as a group we are just not very good, especially whilst Lukaku was not replaced, Coleman is out and our best covering left back is a totally right footed, right back that plays for the international footballing giant that is Curacao.

SA is best placed and most experienced to polish it up. He will do it against the weaker teams and it will be be ugly. It will also come with a hefty price.

 

[BigBlueConk]

Maybe the fault lies with the fans for wanting to win a few games now and then.

 

[Achilles Heel]

One of the big problems for me that the PL faces as a 'product' is the move away from the physicality of the game. Yesterday when McCarthy came on and put himself about a bit, lifting the crowd, eyebrows were raised amongst the United players & bench. Shame we didn't score at that point as it could have been a grandstand finish.

If the PL allows the physicality to be removed altogether, then there really will only be 5 or 6 clubs that ever win anything. During our Dogs of War days, we bridged the financial gap to the likes of the Mancs, Arsenal and the [Poor language removed] be being be physical. Stoke were doing it for years too. The Ratcliffe team of the 80s could certainly look after themselves - only time I ever saw them really get beat up was Wimbledon in the FA Cup quarter-final. United did it themselves in the 90s with Keane etc. when they needed to. Even Arsenal with Vieira.

Those 6 clubs are pushing for it to be removed now, affecting the competitiveness of the 'product' but suiting their agenda to further monopolize the trophies, TV and prize money. We are not going to go back to the more physical approach and they know it. Yes the lesser clubs have more money but they still cannot attract the top stars. If the likes of David Silva, Jesus, Eriksen and Coutinho cannot be tackled, eventually only the clubs that have those players will win at least 75%-80% of the time. The Leicester scenario (brilliant but a complete anomaly) I cannot ever see happening again. Trouble is the PL think that everybody will just keep turning up but if it goes too far, I am not sure they will.

 

[Lukymatic]

Team is a mess. It is time to start cleaning dressing room. Loose a season or two, and start to building a team from scratches

 

[Big Fat Sam]

Williams, Jagielka, Martina, Sandro, Klaassen, Mirallas, Besic, Stekelenberg, Barkley will likely not be at the club next season. I hope also Schneiderin, Baines, Keane, Bolasie, Rooney, McCarthy will be nothing more than squad players. The sad reality is that's simply too many players to move on / replace in the starting xi, so we will remain being absolutely rubbish.