When Did The Rot Set In?

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Of course we can all mention , not building on the success of the mid 1980s. The European ban . And Kenwright taking over. And , yes , that would all be true. But we have had time to do something about all that. And we have managed to do nothing . Moyes being in charge , although keeping us safe , took us nowhere.
And then we come to the succession of useless managers.
For me , there is a few results that have stuck with me , and showed that , we were going nowhere. And tbh , there have been many rubbish results. But the few that have stuck in my mind , are , that 3-2 defeat to West Ham , after we were leading 2-0. A 3-2 home defeat to C.Palace ( when I think a win would have taken us into the top 6. The 3-0 cup defeat to Wigan. And when Atalanta thumped us in the Europa league. Just a few results that have stuck with me.
The rot set in at the end of the Martinez reign. And Koeman carried on that same trajectory. A few decent wins , but mainly rubbish.
We haven’t really been stable since. Maybe a little under Anchelotti. But he even managed to get beat by a Liverpool reserve team.
So anyhow , let’s survive this season . And that S.Dyche can rebuild for next season . And we finally can get rid of Kenwright. So it’s all systems go. Get this club back on track. Hopefully.
Up the Toffees.
 

The Trinity. said:
Of course we can all mention , not building on the success of the mid 1980s. The European ban . And Kenwright taking over. And , yes , that would all be true. But we have had time to do something about all that. And we have managed to do nothing . Moyes being in charge , although keeping us safe , took us nowhere.
And then we come to the succession of useless managers.
For me , there is a few results that have stuck with me , and showed that , we were going nowhere. And tbh , there have been many rubbish results. But the few that have stuck in my mind , are , that 3-2 defeat to West Ham , after we were leading 2-0. A 3-2 home defeat to C.Palace ( when I think a win would have taken us into the top 6. The 3-0 cup defeat to Wigan. And when Atalanta thumped us in the Europa league. Just a few results that have stuck with me.
The rot set in at the end of the Martinez reign. And Koeman carried on that same trajectory. A few decent wins , but mainly rubbish.
We haven’t really been stable since. Maybe a little under Anchelotti. But he even managed to get beat by a Liverpool reserve team.
So anyhow , let’s survive this season . And that S.Dyche can rebuild for next season . And we finally can get rid of Kenwright. So it’s all systems go. Get this club back on track. Hopefully.
Up the Toffees.
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The first 3 points aside, Kenwright was taking it easy and resting on 'mediocrity' for the Moyes era, and we existed in a comfort zone. After that. the end of the Silva-Brands partnership really showed things to be going wrong, because Koeman-Walsh might have worked out, but after that if you put in place a Brands-Silva type of scenario and dont' give them both time and space to work, then i realised something is really going wrong. Ancelotti proved itself to be a 'too good to be true' scenario and Moshiri had already gone into this scattergun approach, but I think the fact that we did not really trust the process of DoF + Young tactical manager with money and a boardroom / backroom improvement to match, shows that it was all going wrong.
(PS it's not the point that there were failed transfers and failure under Silva too, i just feel like this period of time proved there was no real backing in the boardroom, and therefore the start of the rot!)
 
APN_EFC said:
The first 3 points aside, Kenwright was taking it easy and resting on 'mediocrity' for the Moyes era, and we existed in a comfort zone. After that. the end of the Silva-Brands partnership really showed things to be going wrong, because Koeman-Walsh might have worked out, but after that if you put in place a Brands-Silva type of scenario and dont' give them both time and space to work, then i realised something is really going wrong. Ancelotti proved itself to be a 'too good to be true' scenario and Moshiri had already gone into this scattergun approach, but I think the fact that we did not really trust the process of DoF + Young tactical manager with money and a boardroom / backroom improvement to match, shows that it was all going wrong.
(PS it's not the point that there were failed transfers and failure under Silva too, i just feel like this period of time proved there was no real backing in the boardroom, and therefore the start of the rot!)
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Very well put . And you are spot on. I know that I mentioned some of our poor defeats , and that really was not answering the question. Not really turning points . Just me pointing out how poor we were.
But your comments are accurate. Let’s hope that this board is removed soon , and that this club can get proper people onboard to run things. It’s long overdue. Finch farm needs over hauled as well . The list is endless. Up the Toffees.
 

It's obvious that there's a lot of young Evertonians on GOT. Nothing wrong with that, but it makes it impossible for them to even phantom a time when Everton was among the top teams in the world.

The rot started in the summer of 1987 when Howard Kendall resigned and left for Spain and Colin Harvey was apointed manager. A great player, a great coach but clearly out of his depths as a manager. We went from 90, 86 and 86 points in the last 3 seasons with HK, to 70, 54 and 59 points in the next 3 seasons with CH. A shocking decline in results. Further more, the summer of 87, saw Liverpool preparing for the new season by buying Aldridge, Barnes, Beardsley and Houghton. Everton bough Ian Wilson. CH was sacked in 1990, HK returned but couldn't stop the rot and when the Premier league started in 1992 (apart from some blips in 95, 05 and 14), Evertons status as a big club was gone, and it's yet to return.

So no, the rot didn't start when Johnson, Kenwright or Moshiri became chairmen, when Lineker or Lukaku was sold or when Koeman or Benitez was apointed managers. It all started in the summer of 87, when Evertonians all over the world celebrated our 9th title (only Liverpool had more). Little did we know what was going to come in the years to follow.
 
Nasseline said:
It's obvious that there's a lot of young Evertonians on GOT. Nothing wrong with that, but it makes it impossible for them to even phantom a time when Everton was among the top teams in the world.

The rot started in the summer of 1987 when Howard Kendall resigned and left for Spain and Colin Harvey was apointed manager. A great player, a great coach but clearly out of his depths as a manager. We went from 90, 86 and 86 points in the last 3 seasons with HK, to 70, 54 and 59 points in the next 3 seasons with CH. A shocking decline in results. Further more, the summer of 87, saw Liverpool preparing for the new season by buying Aldridge, Barnes, Beardsley and Houghton. Everton bough Ian Wilson. CH was sacked in 1990, HK returned but couldn't stop the rot and when the Premier league started in 1992 (apart from some blips in 95, 05 and 14), Evertons status as a big club was gone, and it's yet to return.

So no, the rot didn't start when Johnson, Kenwright or Moshiri became chairmen, when Lineker or Lukaku was sold or when Koeman or Benitez was apointed managers. It all started in the summer of 87, when Evertonians all over the world celebrated our 9th title (only Liverpool had more). Little did we know what was going to come in the years to follow.
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That's a good point. I was just getting into Everton at that time but not old enough to understand this yet.
I remember casually hearing arguments that it was being also that we were banned from Europe at a time where might have done really well in Europe, but even that 1990 managerial appointment, if not Kendall, might have taken us into the Premier league in a different way. In the early years only Man U were consistently good, and that's obviously due to the combination of Alex Ferguson + other factors, until Wenger and then Abramovich, so we had a chance to still become top 4, top 6 throughout the 90s, and players, staff and investors might have still felt good about joining recent champions, but nothing was done during that time to try and change it.
 
Our history is littered with missed opportunities. Whether you look at the complacency of Harvey’s first summer transfers, or summer ‘88 and ‘89, the new Park End stand on the cheap, the decision to mess about Nigel Martyn and instead let him slip off to Leeds, to more recent times where we’ve no-showed in crucial matches or had no coherent transfer strategy.
Something fundamentally has to change at the club.
It can’t be another chance for Thelwell or another DoF to knock out another PowerPoint presentation and repeat in another 12 months when we don’t achieve any of the targets.
We need a siege mentality throughout the club - we’re going to get where we want to be in spite of you. We all know the media agenda, so it’s no good when the Chairman is wheeling out his ‘what would Everton do? They always get it right nonsense’
 
Drico said:
When the club meekly accepted the European ban in 1985 for a crime that had absolutely nothing to do with us whatsoever.

Could you imagine Manchester City accepting a ban from next season's Champions League for something that did not involve them? There would be court cases left, right, and centre.

Instead, Carter and Co caved in and abandoned their duty to protect the club's interests.

Yeah, we won another league 2 years later, but the seeds were planted: not so much of decline, but of a culture that deferred to others, accepted "our lot", and, most importantly, "knew our place."
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This.
 

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