What would you prefer capacity v location

[Brisan123]

What about if we try to build a 60K + stadium , we end up in taking so much debt that we are not able to invest in team for the next 8 years ..and do an arsenal . With the TV money now dictating revenues , 10K less capacity wont burn a hole in our pocket . but to get an extra 10K capacity , if we end up taking 200 mil more debt and dont invest in the team , we have a problem . Again this all will depend on how are we planning to fund the stadium . Will our new sugar daddy lend us 300 mil + for the stadium ? if yes i am more than happy to build a fantasy 60+ stadium . Else we need to be realistic .

I’ve no idea of actual costs ( maybe someone else can enlighten me ) but I doubt very much if a jump of 20% from 50k to 60 k would lead to an increase of 20% in costs.
I also think it would be cheaper to build 60k now than to build 50k now and add 10k in the future even allowing for inflation in the intervening g years

 

[gorgeousgeorgeEFC]

This is a false dichotomy.

From what I've heard, the club is aiming to deliver a great location (BMD) and a capacity to match that of Anfield, which will be 60,000 in 18 months or so.

 

[Brisan123]

We would just get knocked out in the qualifiers anyway...

Not now we won’t
Collina has retired officially now

 

[Brisan123]

Surely with B you would have to lower prices to fill the extra seats anyway?

I suppose revenue from food and merch etc could come into it. I don't think we are a destination club for tourists, nor do I think we ever will be. Do City and Chelsea attract tourists? Genuine question, I have no idea.

Well I travel over 5/6 times a year and the amount of tourists hanging around town on a match day morning is interesting.
Liverpool is a stag and hen haven so getting the stags in plus other tourists is very possible

 

[Timak]

Juventus built a stadium with a 41k capacity, have won the league about 7 years in a row and got to the last CL final. A well run club is more important in success/ambition than a big stadium.

We have to think of the build costs, the cost per seat and what we can realistically charge.

Most money comes from TV nowadays. The business case for over 50k is really shaky.

What I do hope is that the stadium is designed so non-matchday income is maximised.

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

location location location

Alright Phil
You still knocking Kirsty?

 

[Papa Shango]

I'd rather have a blue version of Borussia Dortmund's Westfalenstadion in L11 than a replica of Sunderland's ground in L5.

But we are neither of those clubs.

Everton should be making a stadium like no other.

 

[Papa Shango]

Not now we won’t
Collina has retired officially now

He was officially retired then!

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

Juventus built a stadium with a 41k capacity, have won the league about 7 years in a row and got to the last CL final. A well run club is more important in success/ambition than a big stadium.

We have to think of the build costs, the cost per seat and what we can realistically charge.

Most money comes from TV nowadays. The business case for over 50k is really shaky.

What I do hope is that the stadium is designed so non-matchday income is maximised.

If it's at the docks there's no reason why shops /cafes can't be spread around the bottom
Nothing red obviously
Although Mcdonalds could change to blue and white as could others

 

[davek]

You'll get a lot of push now from the club on forums like this to get momentum behind a small capacity. It's started already.

 

[bluestevon]

Last time I checked Chelsea just got permission for a £1bn new stadium, and City's was a freebie what, 15 years ago?

How big are Real's and Barcelona's stadiums? Big teams have big stadiums. Just cos less big teams have them too doesn't mean it's not true.[/QUOTE

Chelsea are building a new ground mate

Aye I know they are mate, thing is they aren't building it to show intent of ambition, or to win things, they showed that over the last fifteen years in a ground no different to ours in capacity really by building a successful team, similarly city are gonna expand, after they built a successful team.

We seem to have the thinking of build a big ground equals success, rather than success breeds the need for a bigger ground. Which is more similar to West ham than Chelsea's line if thinking.

Chelsea have by success and aided by location morphed over the last 15 years slowly into a big club, the rs and united could go 20 years without winning anything and would remain so due to international support from when they where winning everything, could argue the rs have proven that point over the last 20 years really. City have spent so much money to transform themselves into one on the pitch and through self sponsoring pay for that transformation. But there is a reason on day one they didn't start expanding, because they knew the limit had already been exceeded in what they could fill, only now after success are they putting in plans to expand.

Arsenals slow death as a top club can arguably be traced back to them putting as was then capacity and corporate over the bread and butter support, arsenal won't expand now if they could because they are struggling to fill 60k with actual visible people if you ever see their ground.

 

[Brisan123]

He was officially retired then!

And came back for one night only
That won’t be happening again

 

[anton66]

You'll get a lot of push now from the club on forums like this to get momentum behind a small capacity. It's started already.

You'll get all the rs lurkers posting now with the benefits of a smaller stadium. I think there's already a few here.

 

[Papa Shango]

You'll get a lot of push now from the club on forums like this to get momentum behind a small capacity. It's started already.

50k is not a small capacity though.

 

[davek]

You'll get all the rs lurkers posting now with the benefits of a smaller stadium. I think there's already a few here.

Defo there will be on here. Biggest Everton forum....