What would be seen as a successful season?

What would be a decent season in terms of league position?

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James_Beattie said:
Can see a few feathers being rustled on here by negativity, which somewhat can be understood with promises or expectations that haven't been met but on the other hand are some what ridiculous. Dave.

So i'm interested in what people think would be a big enough improvement on last years calamity in order to be classed as a successful season.

Personally think any improvement this year would be a stepping stone for the years to come once Koeman, Farhad and even Walsh have had a bit of time.

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Thread title asks about successful season, yet the poll asks about a decent season.
Successful would be winning a trophy, decent would be qualifying for Europe
 

davek said:
Oh, well that totally changes things then. ONLY finishing way ahead of the English champions on a record number of PL points. What a disappointing season eh? I look forward to us next season making a real fist of it and racking up 80 points and top 4.
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I reckon Koeman will having us finish above the reigning champions this season.
 
Just pound the RS into oblivion. We can enjoy the result and the kopite meltdown. Hate them and they are looooong overdue a severe thrashing at the hands of Everton. Methinks that the next derby will create a legend.
 
jinkyali said:
Dave. You seem to attribute money spent as a key variable in obtaining a higher league position. You have made reference quite a few times to RK having more money than his predecessors etc.

Your then setting objectives for RK based on a) money spent. I can quote you if you wish.

What I (and many others may I dont know) cant get to grips with in your analysis (?) or statements concerning measuring RK's performance is the ability of other teams around us in spending money.

Lets take the six above us; what if UTD/Liverpool spend £100m on players in the summer. Using money as the barometer for league positions (as you continually have done), how can you deem it a sackable offence if RK doesnt get top 4 within the next two years? Do you really expect us to outspend those clubs above us?

I cant get my head round the fact that if RK is given greater resources than his predecessors, why his objectives change so dramatically that it is deemed sackable if he doesnt get us top 4, yet at the same time, not taking into account the much greater resources his competitors also now have, which are far greater than ours.
Lets be fair; two/three/ten years ago, the money being spent by us now is greater but in the grand scheme of things, were still paupers compared to the six teams above us.

I think your being negligent to the extreme if you believe that just because RK has money to spend now were suddenly going to HAVE to break into the top four for him to be judged as a success in his league finishes.

Its probably just your agenda towards RK but I would appreciate your thoughts on why you dont seem to account for competitors spends in all this, as this seems to be the key variable in your judgement and analysis of RK going forward.
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I dont think I'm the only one who thinks a man headed hunted, brought in and feted as a superstar manager needs to be securing a top 4 spot by end of season three (if he's here still). That is a commonly held viewpoint, so I dont know why you confine your comment to me on the subject.

As for spending power: my point is simple and unarguable, imo: we have got in amongst these teams above us before with our two previous managers regardless of their ratio of spending to ours; why is that now more difficult for this manager who just so happens to be able to spend the type of cash his predecessors couldn't? THAT makes absolutely no sense to me. It seems it's being touted now as an advanced excuse for him in the event that he doesn't build on a (so far) fairly decent first league campaign with us.

As far as I'm concerned he'll be judged on previous achievements in the last decade when for half that time we've made at least top 6. If he cant muster that then a) he's not the equal of the men he's succeeded, and b ) he's not the man for the job at a club apparently impatient for success.
 
I don't see 7th and a 3rd and 4th round exit in the cups as an improvement on 11th and two semi finals myself.

Only would i see top 5 as a reasonable success. We have a good squad, we had a good squad at the start of the season and we've marginally improved the first XI and the overall squad quality is a tad better although a lot thinner on the ground.

So I was expecting 7th minimum anyway, 6th is only a small step above that but at least 5th is European qualification on merit as opposed to hoping other win cups.
 

davek said:
I dont think I'm the only one who thinks a man headed hunted, brought in and feted as a superstar manager needs to be securing a top 4 spot by end of season three (if he's here still). That is a commonly held viewpoint, so I dont know why you confine your comment to me on the subject.

As for spending power: my point is simple and unarguable, imo: we have got in amongst these teams above us before with our two previous managers regardless of their ratio of spending to ours; why is that now more difficult for this manager who just so happens to be able to spend the type of cash his predecessors couldn't? THAT makes absolutely no sense to me. It seems it's being touted now as an advanced excuse for him in the event that he doesn't build on a (so far) fairly decent first league campaign with us.

As far as I'm concerned he'll be judged on previous achievements in the last decade when for half that time we've made at least top 6. If he cant muster that then a) he's not the equal of the men he's succeeded, and b ) he's not the man for the job at a club apparently impatient for success.
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Finally a reasonable opinion. I think three seasons is a fair time to expect to see some decent returns. Like you say, will be interesting to see if he sticks around though if he is doing well and someone comes in for him.
 

toffeejack said:
I don't see 7th and a 3rd and 4th round exit in the cups as an improvement on 11th and two semi finals myself.

Only would i see top 5 as a reasonable success. We have a good squad, we had a good squad at the start of the season and we've marginally improved the first XI and the overall squad quality is a tad better although a lot thinner on the ground.

So I was expecting 7th minimum anyway, 6th is only a small step above that but at least 5th is European qualification on merit as opposed to hoping other win cups.
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With respect how can you expect a team that finished 11th twice to suddenly be good enough to jump five places and not consider it a success?
 
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