What matters more: cash or cups?

Is Moyes right?

  • Yes, the fans don't get it & should respect him more

    Votes: 21 14.3%

  • No, Moyes doesn't get why the fans are/were fuming

    Votes: 101 68.7%

  • maybe I should clean my toaster

    Votes: 25 17.0%
  • Total voters
    147
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Cups of course.

Cash is just a means (not the only one) to an end - Silverware. The aim is to WIN something. The fans rightfully don't celebrate just because we've managed to reduce our overdraft.
 

This thread's been vaulted back into existence by someone who's not Chico...madness.

Also, the poll shows us the is Moyes right? poll, not the original cash or cups? If I remember correctly, it was something like a 60/20/20 spread on toast.
 
I'd rather win multiple cups, which means we need money, which means we need high league finishes, a lot of people seem happy with just one cup, I would rather we were great again personally.
4th for me (if it meant a CL run)
 
Portsmouth - FA Cup win 2008. Multiple takeovers and now a supporters group battling for rights to the current ground and a series of huge payoffs to former owners. Relegation did them no favours and they didnt even get a European trip off the back of the cup win.
Birmingham - League cup win 2011. Multiple takeovers. Relegation done them no favours. Did get a European soiree. Still fighting to get rid of the highest earners on the books.
Middlesbrough - LC winners 2004. Relegated. Series of high profile signings all turned flops.
Blackburn - LC winners 2002. How many owners? Relegated and going through managers quicker than players somehow.

Thats four sides that chased the dream and put their clubs in jeopardy doing so. None are in the PL or are likely back any time soon. Factor in Leeds and the Risdale years to counter balance the current Swansea success story.

Is a cup all that? Could be, its always nice but is it a means to an end? Does a cup guarantee any extra TV money this summer? Of course not. Want to keep the good players we have on the books? then we have to pay them or they will go and be financially successful at a club willing to pay to be pushing for success in the League.
The League is our bread and butter, and although we have been starved of cup success I wouldnt give up our regular sustenance for a crack at getting mullered by Freddy Kanoute's Seville or Fulhams charmed life to the final vs Atletico. (Oddly the two managers that got their sides there then got the England job - oh how fickle "success" can be)
 

Are you really comparing Everton to Pompey ??

Thats as lazy as comparing the Charlton / Curbishly situation to ours current Moyes one.
 
Ihaters said:
I'd rather win multiple cups, which means we need money, which means we need high league finishes, a lot of people seem happy with just one cup, I would rather we were great again personally.
4th for me (if it meant a CL run)
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Think people underestimate just how massive the gap in finances between the elite clubs and ours is, mate.

Arsenal alone spend more than twice on wages what we do and so can attrcat and keep better players then we do. Chelsea spend more on one player then we do on our entire squad wages. The gap is so immense that a single CL campaign isn't going to come anywhere near closing it, it'll just give you a few nights out in europe.

The only way for everton to win a trophy in year and be competing for the league every year again without a major shift in the fortunes of the game is for us to attract either the best manager in the world, two or three of the best players in the world or a billionaire owner. All of whom would come to everton purely out of the love of the club. It's not likely.

As far as everton are concerned there are ten games that matter in a season, and those are the cup games. A cup or two a decade is all we can aim for unless the situation changes.
 
Artetafan said:
Think people underestimate just how massive the gap in finances between the elite clubs and ours is, mate.

Arsenal alone spend more than twice on wages what we do and so can attrcat and keep better players then we do. Chelsea spend more on one player then we do on our entire squad wages. The gap is so immense that a single CL campaign isn't going to come anywhere near closing it, it'll just give you a few nights out in europe.

The only way for everton to win a trophy in year and be competing for the league every year again without a major shift in the fortunes of the game is for us to attract either the best manager in the world, two or three of the best players in the world or a billionaire owner. All of whom would come to everton purely out of the love of the club. It's not likely.

As far as everton are concerned there are ten games that matter in a season, and those are the cup games. A cup or two a decade is all we can aim for unless the situation changes.
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Yeah but Moyes with some money is better than most managers with a lot of money, one actaul run in the CL.. i.e group stages would provide him enough to mount a challenge to get back there again.
Look at this season, just fallling short at the last, image if we had that striker we went for and Fey and a little more. CL = real money.
I'd bet if we got there once, we'd get there again within two or three goes if we still had Moyes.
 
Artetafan said:
Think people underestimate just how massive the gap in finances between the elite clubs and ours is, mate.

Arsenal alone spend more than twice on wages what we do and so can attrcat and keep better players then we do. Chelsea spend more on one player then we do on our entire squad wages. The gap is so immense that a single CL campaign isn't going to come anywhere near closing it, it'll just give you a few nights out in europe.

The only way for everton to win a trophy in year and be competing for the league every year again without a major shift in the fortunes of the game is for us to attract either the best manager in the world, two or three of the best players in the world or a billionaire owner. All of whom would come to everton purely out of the love of the club. It's not likely.

As far as everton are concerned there are ten games that matter in a season, and those are the cup games. A cup or two a decade is all we can aim for unless the situation changes.
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Sadly I don't think I've seen our situation summed up more accurately. I don't understand how others can't see this as clear as day.
 
Ihaters said:
Yeah but Moyes with some money is better than most managers with a lot of money, one actaul run in the CL.. i.e group stages would provide him enough to mount a challenge to get back there again.
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The side have been playing through fatigue and numerous injuries and knocks and that wear and tear has shown in the performances. The squad isnt big enough to cope with having a push in the LC and FA cup so finding the resources to manage in the CL will come from where? We dont have the bodies let alone the quality.
 

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