What is 'success' for Everton?

Allezfan · January 29, 2014

The thing is there is only 3 trophies available for clubs outside europe, there's 7 european places.

The former is our primary aim, but most clubs fail at that most years. Europe is a useful metric as it brings tangible benefits without being quite as hard to do as winning a trophy, so it lets you know you're making progress, there or there about.

I still think that for a manager to be a success here, he needs a trophy or he's failed, but within an individual season european football is a prize worth winning.

Gwladys St. Glory · January 29, 2014

CL qualification or league title because I've thought for at least 4 of the last 5 years we could make a Euro spot so, for me, that's the break point. A cup is nice but it doesn't tell the whole tale of your squad/club...Wigan being the perfect example.

gazzle_toff · January 29, 2014

FA cup for me. I would love CL qualification and it would bring a lot of financial benefits but a trophy in the cabinet is success.

EFC_Bane · January 29, 2014

A cup win, I don't see finishing 4th or 5th as success. Trophies are what matters, people remember who wins the FA Cup, no one remembers who finished 4/5th

obc · January 29, 2014

I'd be happy with any of the above, aside from top 10 finish. That is more an expectation.

The Equaliser · January 29, 2014

Top 6. Which I'd sacrifice for a top 10 finish if it meant lifting the FA Cup.

Azzurri · January 29, 2014

Cookachoo said:
Top 10 doesn't mean tenth though mate...

It does, though, if you finish tenth.

First to tenth is top ten, eleventh to bottom is bottom ten. Surely?

blue4eva77 · January 29, 2014

Where is the option for fewest defeats in the league ? :blink:

Brennan · January 29, 2014

Azzurri said:
It does, though, if you finish tenth.

First to tenth is top ten, eleventh to bottom is bottom ten. Surely?

I think the math system is different in Norway.

Azzurri · January 29, 2014

Brennan said:
I think the math system is different in Norway.

Math? Ffs Brennan. He is a bad Kopite, though.

griffla · January 29, 2014

Gwladys St. Glory said:
CL qualification or league title because I've thought for at least 4 of the last 5 years we could make a Euro spot so, for me, that's the break point. A cup is nice but it doesn't tell the whole tale of your squad/club...Wigan being the perfect example.

I voted for UEFA as it would be seen as a success in Roberto's first year, but really its Champs league and getting in on that cash cow

Quality avatar lid.

orly · January 29, 2014

It's a poll.

On GOT.

With no cheese on toast option.

I know yesterday was bad but let's not let standards slip. ( voted FA cup in absence of le Fromage toastie)

njligernj · January 29, 2014

Aside from the teams with money who always bloody win things here are the FA Cup Winners in the last 20 years: Wigan, Portsmouth, Everton.

Aside from the teams with money who always bloody win things here are the League Cup Winners in the last 20 years: Aston Villa, Leicester City, Blackburn Rovers, Middlesbrough, Birmingham City, Swansea City.

You'd be better off suggesting winning a Cup is a curse for a non-monied club.

Those teams are mostly a shambles (and I include ourselves in the 90's in the shambles group). Now I am not for a second suggesting there is an actual relationship here ... but that is not a list of clubs one would call successful outside of an argument where you're trying to prove a point about how valuable Cups are.

Again ... not saying we wouldn't enjoy a one-off Cup more ... but it won't make anyone think we're a success in the long run (including ourselves) ... and it won't help us succeed in the future.

Give me a choice for what would make me happiest: maybe the Cup. Give me a choice for what will help this club become a true success (rather than a one-hit wonder): it's the CL every time.