What effect is all the booing of substitutions in the last games going to have ?
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Booing doesn't help anybody.
BoysInBlue
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I don't think it will have an effect. It just shows the crowd's displeasure at Moyes substitution decision making.
The decision at Bolton was booed because we were searching for a winner, and it appeared Heitinga for Jelavic was a defensive substitution that would have ensured we got a replay. Thankfully Heitinga scored, but if he hadn't, EVERY Evertonian would have been bemoaning a 'defensive substitution' (even though in reality it did allow Fellaini to push forward).
Today, we were 3-1 down at home to a **** second from bottom team, desperately seeking a goal, and Mirallas had been one of the few having a good game. When you think about it logically, he's coming back from injury and may not be able to play 90 minutes yet, and we need to take care of him. But at the time, in the heat of the moment and amidst much frustration, a striker for a striker substitution seemed rather cautious. Fans wanted to see Mirallas alongside Jelavic & Anichebe.
There are reasons for the booing. It's not mindless stuff, it's passionate fans voicing their opinions. I'm sure Moyes has a thick enough skin by now after 15 years as a manager to cope with it. It's heat of the moment stuff, it's not a sustained hate campaign. Everyone knows Moyes, generally speaking, is doing a good job. Just that some of his decisions (persistence with Heitinga, Jags at right back, etc) are very divisive and unpopular with some.
In short, people don't boo and overly scrutinise substitutions when the team is winning.
The decision at Bolton was booed because we were searching for a winner, and it appeared Heitinga for Jelavic was a defensive substitution that would have ensured we got a replay. Thankfully Heitinga scored, but if he hadn't, EVERY Evertonian would have been bemoaning a 'defensive substitution' (even though in reality it did allow Fellaini to push forward).
Today, we were 3-1 down at home to a **** second from bottom team, desperately seeking a goal, and Mirallas had been one of the few having a good game. When you think about it logically, he's coming back from injury and may not be able to play 90 minutes yet, and we need to take care of him. But at the time, in the heat of the moment and amidst much frustration, a striker for a striker substitution seemed rather cautious. Fans wanted to see Mirallas alongside Jelavic & Anichebe.
There are reasons for the booing. It's not mindless stuff, it's passionate fans voicing their opinions. I'm sure Moyes has a thick enough skin by now after 15 years as a manager to cope with it. It's heat of the moment stuff, it's not a sustained hate campaign. Everyone knows Moyes, generally speaking, is doing a good job. Just that some of his decisions (persistence with Heitinga, Jags at right back, etc) are very divisive and unpopular with some.
In short, people don't boo and overly scrutinise substitutions when the team is winning.
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MACCA75
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Thought the subs were good today (although personally i would have put Neville on for Johnny at half time). Mirallas had gone a bit quiet and was really the obvious candidate to be taken off for Jela. Oviedo coming on at right back was a bit leftfield (ironically) but it worked pretty well.
Miralles was pretty ineffective for most of the game, although he did play the pass for Anichebe's goal. Plus, he is clearly not match fit. I thought it was the right substitution.
I don't think players take too much notice of booing at substitutions. Villa played pretty well first half, and we didn't get our final ball right. We didn't play badly overall. Just because Villa are in the bottom 3 doesn't mean they will just roll over. It's not like all their players are crap. Before the game, we should have won but a draw in the circumstances is OK. 4 points off Villa isn't bad, although it is disappointing the way we conceded the goals.
I don't think players take too much notice of booing at substitutions. Villa played pretty well first half, and we didn't get our final ball right. We didn't play badly overall. Just because Villa are in the bottom 3 doesn't mean they will just roll over. It's not like all their players are crap. Before the game, we should have won but a draw in the circumstances is OK. 4 points off Villa isn't bad, although it is disappointing the way we conceded the goals.
Or his feet ready to exit - I think he has done very well in building this team on a limited budget - but why did he play JH today after his gaff v WBA? {it deffo cost us 3vital points today}
He is also on a salary second to none without a boss a chairman who lets him control the club all week - he would not get that power at any other club -
If he feels its time to move on so be it no one is bigger than EFC - he can stay & battle on its been a very good season so far The best football he has ever produced -
If he decides to go lets see how he performs with big money -imo he is made for the job he has now, but if he wants pastures new then so be it!
They come too late, they're often quite baffling and he doesn't use all three for some reason.
Naismith on in injury time was the most confusing today. We wasted our own time doing that.
I think you'd have to be a stark raving Moyes fan boy to claim that he's astute with his subs. It's comfortably one of his biggest managerial weaknesses.
Naismith on in injury time was the most confusing today. We wasted our own time doing that.
I think you'd have to be a stark raving Moyes fan boy to claim that he's astute with his subs. It's comfortably one of his biggest managerial weaknesses.
I disagree. Naismith worked his socks off for the brief time has was on. He's a good choice to bring on fresh when the opposition is starting to tire. He was causing them problems right till the end of the game
nigelcoyb
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People are telling him 10 yrs with barely a murmur of discontent and a big hairy arsed zero in the trophy room is long enough.
There's always been a "needs must" recognition of Moyes rather than fullsome support the fact he's playing silly buggers over his contract is a mistake, despite the witterings of those thinking we're Moyes FC the idea of another 10 yrs like the last is as attractive as toothache.
If he's going to play he's bigger than the club bollox he'd better up his game.
There's always been a "needs must" recognition of Moyes rather than fullsome support the fact he's playing silly buggers over his contract is a mistake, despite the witterings of those thinking we're Moyes FC the idea of another 10 yrs like the last is as attractive as toothache.
If he's going to play he's bigger than the club bollox he'd better up his game.
andy4efc
Player Valuation: £60m
I think Tubey's point was that it was in Injury time mate, perhaps a little late for the guy to have any impact? I Know we scored, but 9/10 we dont. Perhaps he could have made that change a little earlier?.
To be fair, he was trying to bring him on sooner but was waiting for the ball to go out of play. He would have got about 10 minutes if he'd gone on when Moyes wanted him to
Bluenose1995
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people boo the wrong people its that redcoat kenwright that the clap clap clappers need to boo.
Yeah, who does he think he is running the club in such a way that we haven't gone into administration? The swine!!!
Bluenose1995
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yeah as any other owner but Kenwright would have us in admin, wake up son or does it have to take megson to do that?
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