WarringtonBlue
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This is a genuine questions
When we get a bad result on GOT atm there are 2 waves of anger
The first is at the result
The second comes after Martinez talks to press, which is presaged by a wave of 'I'm going to get angry at what he says, I just know it!' comments
My genuine question is, what do you expect him to say?
I believe that some people here would still be unhappy if he came out and said the squad were going to be submitted to torture by Charles Manson and that weird monk off The Da Vinci Code and that he, Martinez, would personally crawl in abasement to the statue of Dixie Dean. That 'telling it like it is', writing off our players, will create some sort of cohesive dynamic gelling together of the team
I know the results aren't the best, and that we're underperforming. I know that we're having at least one defensive clanger a match. I know that some tactical and positional choices leave a little to be desired. And I'm not personally happy with it. But to expect Martinez to launch the criticisms some demand is crazy.
The first thing is, it rarely works. Take Mourinho. He has high, exacting standards, will substitute favourites if they underperform or have a shoddy work-rate, etc. And after a 0-0 draw at West Ham where his team frankly struggled, accused Sam Allardyce of playing 19th century football. He personally 'congratulated' the referee at theirhome loss against Sunderland. And recently at Newcastle he blamed a shoddy performance on the speed of the ballboys!
Now take Tim Sherwood. He actually got some good results last season (he beat Southampton home and away, which I'm only slightly envious of), however they had some nightmares too, notably a 4-0 loss against Chelsea. Tim expressed his disappointment to the media, saying it was a 'capitulation' and they 'lacked gut'. Rather than propelling the team onwards, the team stuttered and spluttered to a series of lucky wins and collapses to teams, notably from my memory West Ham. Not only that, every time this happened, Sherwood's quotations wereused against him to create and consolidate a media narrative of his managerial naivete, incompetence and overall examine the weak performance of Tottenham.
Now take Brendan Rogers. Recently, he dropped Mignolet in favour of Brad Jones and confirmed in the 3-0 post-match conference against Utd Mignolet would be 'dropped for the forseeable future'. Now the merits of doing this are still out, but by directly hinting and intimating that a player - a main team player, not a squad rotation - was unsuitable, it raised further media questions about not only Rogers suitability to manage and control his players, but overall examinations into Rogers' spending and oversight to bring Mignolet in the first place (same with his comments re: Balotelli). You can argue such scrutiny is justified. But there is no doubt Rogers' comments created an atmosphere in whichmedia analysis was allowed to ferment.
My point is here, if slagging off the players and/or performance with typical fan language normally caused a rebound, we would see every manager up and down the land doing so. The fact they don't indicates a football team takes slightly more balancing than that and that mentality is quick to break and long to grow. I am certain that what a manager says to a press is not what they say to a squad.
Fans of Everton should know how just a throwaway comment can cause weeks of speculation by the press. Cautious, careful language that avoids dwelling on the issues can avoid that. Now people will say the performances have brought this scrutiny on Martinez's head and you'd be absolutely right to do so, but that doesn't mean he has to make it worse
People are saying they'd have Sam Allardyce in - a man who, 12 months ago, was favourite for the sack following a set of dire performances in the league, losing 5-0 to Nottingham Forest reserves in the FA cup, and having an unhealthy reliance on Kevin Nolan. The fact that media fuore over his bad patch of form didn't lead to a sacking, and their current form, speaks volumes.
TL;DR people getting angry at Martinez's comments in post-match will be angry no matter what he says
When we get a bad result on GOT atm there are 2 waves of anger
The first is at the result
The second comes after Martinez talks to press, which is presaged by a wave of 'I'm going to get angry at what he says, I just know it!' comments
My genuine question is, what do you expect him to say?
I believe that some people here would still be unhappy if he came out and said the squad were going to be submitted to torture by Charles Manson and that weird monk off The Da Vinci Code and that he, Martinez, would personally crawl in abasement to the statue of Dixie Dean. That 'telling it like it is', writing off our players, will create some sort of cohesive dynamic gelling together of the team
I know the results aren't the best, and that we're underperforming. I know that we're having at least one defensive clanger a match. I know that some tactical and positional choices leave a little to be desired. And I'm not personally happy with it. But to expect Martinez to launch the criticisms some demand is crazy.
The first thing is, it rarely works. Take Mourinho. He has high, exacting standards, will substitute favourites if they underperform or have a shoddy work-rate, etc. And after a 0-0 draw at West Ham where his team frankly struggled, accused Sam Allardyce of playing 19th century football. He personally 'congratulated' the referee at theirhome loss against Sunderland. And recently at Newcastle he blamed a shoddy performance on the speed of the ballboys!
Now take Tim Sherwood. He actually got some good results last season (he beat Southampton home and away, which I'm only slightly envious of), however they had some nightmares too, notably a 4-0 loss against Chelsea. Tim expressed his disappointment to the media, saying it was a 'capitulation' and they 'lacked gut'. Rather than propelling the team onwards, the team stuttered and spluttered to a series of lucky wins and collapses to teams, notably from my memory West Ham. Not only that, every time this happened, Sherwood's quotations wereused against him to create and consolidate a media narrative of his managerial naivete, incompetence and overall examine the weak performance of Tottenham.
Now take Brendan Rogers. Recently, he dropped Mignolet in favour of Brad Jones and confirmed in the 3-0 post-match conference against Utd Mignolet would be 'dropped for the forseeable future'. Now the merits of doing this are still out, but by directly hinting and intimating that a player - a main team player, not a squad rotation - was unsuitable, it raised further media questions about not only Rogers suitability to manage and control his players, but overall examinations into Rogers' spending and oversight to bring Mignolet in the first place (same with his comments re: Balotelli). You can argue such scrutiny is justified. But there is no doubt Rogers' comments created an atmosphere in whichmedia analysis was allowed to ferment.
My point is here, if slagging off the players and/or performance with typical fan language normally caused a rebound, we would see every manager up and down the land doing so. The fact they don't indicates a football team takes slightly more balancing than that and that mentality is quick to break and long to grow. I am certain that what a manager says to a press is not what they say to a squad.
Fans of Everton should know how just a throwaway comment can cause weeks of speculation by the press. Cautious, careful language that avoids dwelling on the issues can avoid that. Now people will say the performances have brought this scrutiny on Martinez's head and you'd be absolutely right to do so, but that doesn't mean he has to make it worse
People are saying they'd have Sam Allardyce in - a man who, 12 months ago, was favourite for the sack following a set of dire performances in the league, losing 5-0 to Nottingham Forest reserves in the FA cup, and having an unhealthy reliance on Kevin Nolan. The fact that media fuore over his bad patch of form didn't lead to a sacking, and their current form, speaks volumes.
TL;DR people getting angry at Martinez's comments in post-match will be angry no matter what he says
