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Who would have thought that picking two right footed players on the left, and two defensive midfielders - one with absolutely no passing ability - would limit a player's options in possession and lead to them giving the ball away?

And which left footed players would you have selected before January the 1st then?

Also the two defensive midfielders has been a choice used by all 3 of our managers, and not just Allardyce. I don't agree with it myself, except for in certain games but the players are being given a free pass here for not being able to execute a simple skill that should have been mastered well before now if they want to play at a high level and achieve things in the game.
 
What are the players excuses before he came in then? Williams gifting the ball to the Limassol (think it was them) player for their first goal at Goodison, or Keane putting Lukaku clean through at Old Trafford being 2 examples off the top of my head where we couldn't keep possession. Both under Koeman with the imbalanced team he created. They weren't Koeman's fault either to be honest, a professional footballer should be able to play 10 yard passes to a teammate.

if you're talking about 'hoofing' or playing it down the line then I can agree with you, but it would be ridiculous to try and make out that us losing possession like that is only a symptom of Allardyce's management when our players have been terrible at taking control of games all season and have been poor in possession for large parts of it.
Koeman was hopeless too. His inclination was to by-pass midfield despite his BS claim about playing possession football. Those players just reverted to playing the way they were taught before Koeman arrived half way through the full season Koeman was here, as he had them going route one.
 
Allardyce sat in the stands watching that West Ham game when he first arrived and the look on his face said "'kin ell. This lot have footballers here who can play. WTF have they got me here for?".

He shat a brick that night knowing that even in our state then we were easily a top half side and that expectations would still be to push for top 8.

I dont blame him for him in any way really. I blame the clueless oaf owner who pissed his pants when he couldn't land Silva and panicked at a run of poor form to arrive at Allardyce as the solution.
I compose a very similar summation. We (i.e the Board) have made for ourselves a Procrustean-like bed; an also-ran's 'one size fits all' situation with our fellow 'wee 14' of this league.

NSNO?...don't make me laugh
 
When we played Leicester at the end of October they were in the same position as us. Terrible start to the season, just sacked their manager, looked like they were in for a real struggle. They appointed a manager who they believed was the best man for the job, and have pulled well away from the mire, we appointed a 'specialist' and haven't. I've said numerous times, going back to basics and trying to battle your way to safety is one way of doing things, but in my opinion a much better plan is to bring in a manager who coaches players and comes up with impressive tactical ideas to beat the opposition, rather than someone who gets 10 men behind the ball and hopes to nick a goal from a set piece.

They have key players that are far more effective than we have. Mahrez is more creative and more skilful than anyone we have. They have blinding pace in Demarai Gray, who I actually think is overrated, but ran through half our team for their first goal in the away game, and they have Jamie Vardy up front who along with Mahrez helped win them the league.

Our team is severely lacking in confidence with very few winners in it in terms of English trophies, whereas the Leicester team recently won the league. They have a mentality and work ethic that we don't have.
 
Over egging the pudding in terms of how badly off we were when Allardyce took over. We were not his usual "patient", not by a long chalk. We had many paths to recovery.

Allardyce usually comes into clubs with a group of players incapable of finding feet and is able to justify the brand of football he insists on playing. Cynically he's arrived here and suggested that our players (who have proven they can play possession based football in the past) are the ones to blame for now being poor in possession when he knows it's his tactics that leads us to losing the ball.

Now the clash of culture between him and the players is the greatest threat to our season.

Wrong manager, wrong time, wrong club.

Not often we agree Dave, but you have hit the nail on the head here.

I was prepared to give Sam the benefit of doubt when he arrived.

I thought that maybe, he saw us as a chance to change peoples opinion of him, to prove to all the doubters that he isn't a one trick pony. To show, that with ( on paper) a half decent squad he could for probably the first time, have a realistic chance of challenging for silverware.

I hold my hands up.

I was wrong.

All he is doing is slowly turning us into a mirror image of clubs he has managed previously.

Slowly grinding out enough points to avoid the dreaded drop.

It's going to cost Moshiri a small fortune in the summer to replace Sam and his mob, but it has to happen.

Walsh has to go to. He was head scout at Leicester ,all he has proved here is that the job of Director of Football is way over his head.

The one thing that worries me

if, we do all that, what sort of transfer chest will the replacements get to work with?
 
Spent a lifetime following this club for the life of me I cannot not remember a cycle like this in which I am struggling from the outside to understand the root cause of our problems.

Everybody seems to be able a pin point an issue from the top to the bottom which is really troubling and to me would suggest we are structurally unsound as a club.

If it was my club, I would hold a root and branch review and in addition on a consultancy basis pull in external commercial/Fin and Football expertise from people within the game whom have a proven solid track record of success. The fans already have had there say on matters so they have enough customer feedback to support an internal review.

It,s up to the the club to chart it,s course to stability and success, we need an achievable 5 yr plan that supports a vision which is based on reality but courageous enough to push the club onwards and upwards.

Leadership, Honesty and Success need to be the clubs new moto on and off the pitch everyday.
 
And which left footed players would you have selected before January the 1st then?

Also the two defensive midfielders has been a choice used by all 3 of our managers, and not just Allardyce. I don't agree with it myself, except for in certain games but the players are being given a free pass here for not being able to execute a simple skill that should have been mastered well before now if they want to play at a high level and achieve things in the game.
Well I was specifically talking about our last game, which took place after January 1st, so who I would have picked before that is irrelevant really isn't it? I would say that Vlasic is a particularly poor pairing with Martina though, as he's probably the closest we have to a Pienaar type - wanting to drift in and create space for the overlap and playing clever little passes. Doing that with someone who doesn't create an overlap and follows you infield isn't ideal. Bolasie at least would look to go on the outside, while someone like Walcott, Lookman or Sandro would have been looking to run inside to attack the box rather than pass as Vlasic does.

I'm not defending Koeman or Unsworth here, but the new manager was brought in to do a better job than them so just saying 'they did it too' isn't a great defence i'm afraid. The need for a player in midfield who can control games and offers some creativity is something I've been banging on about for about 5 years, but the decision to let Barry and Barkley go this season has made it even more of a problem.

Finally, to say the players are getting a free pass is so unbelievably wrong it's untrue. They get booed off every game! Look at their threads on here, even the better ones have been getting pelters all season. We all know the players are underperforming and/or useless, but that doesn't mean the manager is making the right decisions.
 
Well I was specifically talking about our last game, which took place after January 1st, so who I would have picked before that is irrelevant really isn't it? I would say that Vlasic is a particularly poor pairing with Martina though, as he's probably the closest we have to a Pienaar type - wanting to drift in and create space for the overlap and playing clever little passes. Doing that with someone who doesn't create an overlap and follows you infield isn't ideal. Bolasie at least would look to go on the outside, while someone like Walcott, Lookman or Sandro would have been looking to run inside to attack the box rather than pass as Vlasic does.

I'm not defending Koeman or Unsworth here, but the new manager was brought in to do a better job than them so just saying 'they did it too' isn't a great defence i'm afraid. The need for a player in midfield who can control games and offers some creativity is something I've been banging on about for about 5 years, but the decision to let Barry and Barkley go this season has made it even more of a problem.

Finally, to say the players are getting a free pass is so unbelievably wrong it's untrue. They get booed off every game! Look at their threads on here, even the better ones have been getting pelters all season. We all know the players are underperforming and/or useless, but that doesn't mean the manager is making the right decisions.

All those players you mentioned are right footed too, Bolasie, Walcott, Lookman and Sandro. You made a point about choosing 2 right footed players on the left. Baines is also injured and so is Mori.

The only other option is Garbutt who was ineligible before January 1st (apologies in that regard as I didn't realise you meant the last game specifically). I will agree with you that I think Garbutt should be in ahead of Martina, but I did actually say this the other day and a poster fairly pointed out that Garbutt has not been training with the first team all season. We are probably both in agreement though that he should be selected as he is left footed, but from a manager's point of view they would question how ready he would be to be thrown in to games against opposition like Man United, Liverpool and Spurs.

I may have just misunderstood that your post was specifically/solely about the West Brom game anyway, so sorry if that's the case.

The free pass thing was in relation to the keeping possession, not in general.
 
All those players you mentioned are right footed too, Bolasie, Walcott, Lookman and Sandro. You made a point about choosing 2 right footed players on the left. Baines is also injured and so is Mori.

The only other option is Garbutt who was ineligible before January 1st (apologies in that regard as I didn't realise you meant the last game specifically). I will agree with you that I think Garbutt should be in ahead of Martina, but I did actually say this the other day and a poster fairly pointed out that Garbutt has not been training with the first team all season. We are probably both in agreement though that he should be selected as he is left footed, but from a manager's point of view they would question how ready he would be to be thrown in to games against opposition like Man United, Liverpool and Spurs.

The free pass thing was in relation to the keeping possession, not in general.
Yes, I acknowledged that they were all right footed, but said that I thought Vlasic was a particularly poor choice to play on that side because of his style of play.
 
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What Did We Expect?
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This is what a relegation threatened season looks like. That’s what I told my son when he recently quizzed me about why Everton were so [beep] (I’m paraphrasing here).

When the drop zone exerts its gravitational pull, achieving escape velocity is always difficult. Back in November, prior to the West Ham victory, a time when Everton looked to be truly in the mire, a friend of mine (a Red) pointed out that ‘you only need a few wins and you’ll be clear’. To which I replied ‘True, but sides who are in the bottom eight, don’t just keep winning.’ And that’s just what’s happened. After our Allardyce honeymoon period (three words that should never go together), the club, quite expectedly, has hit a bump in the road.



When you’re down near the bottom, you’re down there for a reason; usually a toxic mix of poor management, poor players and low confidence. A change to one of these elements can bring around an improvement in fortunes. But that side, the one that struggled and seemed unable to get a win, defend competently or forge a coherent attack is still there, lurking. It does not completely go away but merely lies dormant. And it doesn’t take much for it to wake up. A few defeats, a poor run, a slight slide down the table and it emerges once again.

Escaping relegation, and that is exactly what Everton’s season has become about, will likely characterise the remainder of this campaign. At the moment, it might remain only a distant one, but dropping is still a possibility. There are 36 points left on the board at the time of writing and Everton need 12 to be comfortably safe.



While that might sound easily achievable, bear in mind that even good clubs drop points. And Everton are not a good club. Over the remaining months, the Blues will lose games and draws will occur. So we can expect that from those 36 points left, a good chunk will be lost. How many will dictate how uncomfortable the closing weeks of the season will be.

For those confident that safety should be a doddle, Everton have past form when it comes to late season collapses. Take a look back at the 90s, the era that for many fans is most strongly associated with the spectre of relegation, and you can find four examples of the club absolutely ballsing up the final months of the season. In 93/94, 96/97, 97/98, 99/00, Everton’s points haul from the final twelve games, if mirrored this season would be enough to ensure that the club would enter the final week of the campaign in a very precarious position. Death spirals might not be common, but they do happen.

I’d bet good money, that whoever pushed for Allardyce to be appointed (over a manager like Silva) is somebody who has lived through relegation threatened campaigns before. Somebody who recognises that more than anything, such seasons are a grind, where a manager will be constantly trying to stop that dormant, under-performing side from waking up. And that tends to take a manager of a certain ilk, a manager who understands the battle that will be constantly taking place, who appreciates that until you hit that magic forty point mark, you’ll never be free from its threat.



Nobody watching Everton at the moment could be happy with what they see. In terms of the football being played, this is arguably one of the least attractive Everton sides to watch in a generation. Stodgy, uncreative, tentative, conservative and clearly lacking in confidence, the side is currently as far away from the ‘School of Science’ as it’s possible to be.

But should we have expected anything different? When we hired Allardyce, we hired a specialist, a man with a stellar reputation for suppressing those dormant sides that threaten to reawaken when form dips. At Blackburn, Sunderland and Palace, he successfully (if not always attractively) ground out results and made sure that the side that had got those clubs into trouble rarely appeared (even when, inevitably, results did not go their way.)

With half the season remaining when he was appointed, a blip was inevitable. And at the moment Everton are certainly not in a good place. But there are few managers better or more experienced than Allardyce at negotiating such blips and ensuring that the Everton of the late Koeman-era does not return and stay.

Having been hired to save the club, Allardyce will do whatever it takes to do just that, however ugly. We as fans might not like it but it can’t come as any surprise. Our desire to see something more exciting, to see exhilarating football, to watch Everton attack with verve, will be of no concern to a manager whose primary remit is to keep this club in the top flight.

We might not like it but I suspect that with an unbalanced squad, a group of players that possess fragile confidence and a rapidly improving chasing pack beneath us, exhilarating football will be off the menu for some time to come.

Back in November, Everton could have gambled and gone for a manager with a more cavalier approach to the game. But the club didn’t. It played it safe and went with a manager who excels at playing it safe. And as soon as the club did that, it was clear what kind of football we were going to get.

The real problem for Everton will be what happens next season. To use a medical analogy, right now, the club is in intensive care, with Allardyce probably the ideal man to provide treatment. But do you entrust someone skilled at triage to manage your rehabilitation in the longer term? If Everton survive, which most think likely, the club will face a big decision in the summer. Does it initiate yet another regime change, which could yield success or possibly prove destabilising, or hope that Allardyce can change what he has become.

The club and the fans are in for an interesting summer.
What a great post this is.
 
I said it the other day
Allardyce sat in the stands watching that West Ham game when he first arrived and the look on his face said "'kin ell. This lot have footballers here who can play. WTF have they got me here for?".

He shat a brick that night knowing that even in our state then we were easily a top half side and that expectations would still be to push for top 8.

I dont blame him for him in any way really. I blame the clueless oaf owner who pissed his pants when he couldn't land Silva and panicked at a run of poor form to arrive at Allardyce as the solution.
I said the other day he wants us to be in a relegation battle or at least he wants everyone else to think we're in one. For Sam it's about setting the easiest target with the biggest reward. Telling the world he's joined a club with ambition and that the players are fantastic and can still reach Europe sets a very lofty goal that he has a small chance of making. Telling the world we're in a relegation scrap means all he has to do is win a few more games and he comes out of it looking like he's done a great job (to the outside world - not to us). I don't for one second believe he thinks we'll go down and whilst i'm concerned i do think we'll survive this nightmare of a season but if the rest of the world think we're free falling because our manager says so but he somehow pulls us out of the gutter he walks away with his hero status - BIG SAM DOES IT AGAIN!
The worst part for me is the club sacked Koeman with plenty of time to repair our season and whilst our team is horribly inbalanced we still have players 10 teams below us would love to have. In every department from board to pitch we've made life difficult for ourselves this year.
 
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