We need to talk about Nottingham Forest.

[Marius57]

During his final season though there were posters on here demanding he pushed on from 48 points (and circa 12th position without points deduction) that we’d achieved the season before. All we did that summer though was sell Onana and Godfrey Dobbin and bring in Ndiaye Iroegbunam and OBrien plus some loans (Broja injured, Mangala and Lindstrom). The narrative was that he was a terrible manager if he didn’t move us forward.

We’re now in a position though where a lot of people are saying 12th would be ok because we’ve been in relegation battles the last 4 seasons and need some slow stability. This is after over 100mill was spent on the squad with all the best players kept from last season.

This for me is the hypocrisy in expectations. I don’t think anyone was arguing to keep Dyche beyond the ownership change or his contract end, but honestly the bile towards him on the eve of his final season with us was absolutely ridiculous given what he’d navigated us through in the previous 18 months. Grown adults absolutely melting down and venting their spleen because Dyche didn’t start Roman Dixon first game of the season (where’s he now by the way?). I’ve never seen anything like it.

Moyes is a much better manager than Dyche in my opinion, but David Moyes had no interest in joining us in Jan 23 when he was managing West Ham in Europe and we were 19th in the prem with 18 games to go getting punted for 4 goals every game with one of the worst squadsin the league, an injury crisis, and a horrendous fixture list left. Not to mention the points deductions that followed and the selling of a big asset every window. We couldn’t have attracted a manager of his talent, so we got the one manager who would take the job in amongst all the pressure that was on him.

This club owes a massive debt to Sean Dyche because we could quite easily be in the championship or worse now leading our new stadium at best and doing a fire sale of every decent player we have to keep the administrators from the door. The Friedkins and 100 mill war chests would be an absolute pipe dream. But yeah you were a bit bored with the footy for a bit and he didn’t play Roman Dixon…

As Moyes showed, the squad could have pushed on last season. Considering in half a season he got us 31 points despite Dyche having talked us and played us into another relegation battle. Let’s not pretend that the squad wasn’t capable of progressing from getting 48 points the year before when the evidence shows it quite clearly was.

We should be targeting 10th + this season realistically. But actually, 12th would be an improvement on last season because of Dyches management and where he left us.

 

[Bryan+]

Forest fans? Never.

Nah, i do. They may be oddballs - but they are the ones on the recieving end of the stress. Its no fun. I mean i hope the club gets relegated as a result of this, what goes around comes around.

Still an indication that he's a short term option, I'd imagine forest wanted an 18 month deal and it got negotiated up

What a life eh, i imagine hes been out for 6 months with a gun over his shoulder duck hunting with his dogs, sampling the best REAL Ales across the country. Fair play Sean, Fair play.

 

[efcste97]

You've removed a fair bit of context from your framing imo.

Personally I'd feel happier about ange still being there in the hope forest get relegated, but you never know

What context? It seems like some Blues give him a huge pass for underperforming in his second season, even though he wasn’t dealing with the same limitations he had when things went well in his first year.

 

[COYBL25]

well he is, i suggested above the Forest Fans target him for their agnst - he will sell up or seek investment very soon, they cannot sack two managers and buy £100m players and conform to PSR. They will be selling their assets or giving 10 year contracts to the dinner ladies soon.

Or the law catches up with him and he does a bunk.

 

[COYBL25]

Nah, i do. They may be oddballs - but they are the ones on the recieving end of the stress. Its no fun. I mean i hope the club gets relegated as a result of this, what goes around comes around.

What a life eh, i imagine hes been out for 6 months with a gun over his shoulder duck hunting with his dogs, sampling the best REAL Ales across the country. Fair play Sean, Fair play.

He`s been on Talksport every week, telling the nation how hard done to he was at Everton, non of it was his fault and how great he is.

 

[Bryan+]

Or the law catches up with him and he does a bunk.

I have heard this also, that his wealth is 'bent'?

 

[Eggs]

 

[COYBL25]

I have heard this also, that his wealth is 'bent'?

Don`t think it`s in this country tbh.

 

[DanB90]

They just need to make it to the new stadium.

 

[Eggs]

…..I think Forest will be fine with Dyche.

 

[Charro]

During his final season though there were posters on here demanding he pushed on from 48 points (and circa 12th position without points deduction) that we’d achieved the season before. All we did that summer though was sell Onana and Godfrey Dobbin and bring in Ndiaye Iroegbunam and OBrien plus some loans (Broja injured, Mangala and Lindstrom). The narrative was that he was a terrible manager if he didn’t move us forward.

We’re now in a position though where a lot of people are saying 12th would be ok because we’ve been in relegation battles the last 4 seasons and need some slow stability. This is after over 100mill was spent on the squad with all the best players kept from last season.

This for me is the hypocrisy in expectations. I don’t think anyone was arguing to keep Dyche beyond the ownership change or his contract end, but honestly the bile towards him on the eve of his final season with us was absolutely ridiculous given what he’d navigated us through in the previous 18 months. Grown adults absolutely melting down and venting their spleen because Dyche didn’t start Roman Dixon first game of the season (where’s he now by the way?). I’ve never seen anything like it.

Moyes is a much better manager than Dyche in my opinion, but David Moyes had no interest in joining us in Jan 23 when he was managing West Ham in Europe and we were 19th in the prem with 18 games to go getting punted for 4 goals every game with one of the worst squadsin the league, an injury crisis, and a horrendous fixture list left. Not to mention the points deductions that followed and the selling of a big asset every window. We couldn’t have attracted a manager of his talent, so we got the one manager who would take the job in amongst all the pressure that was on him.

This club owes a massive debt to Sean Dyche because we could quite easily be in the championship or worse now leading our new stadium at best and doing a fire sale of every decent player we have to keep the administrators from the door. The Friedkins and 100 mill war chests would be an absolute pipe dream. But yeah you were a bit bored with the footy for a bit and he didn’t play Roman Dixon…

Could have easily been in the championship if we kept dyche though.

He has us bang in trouble in a season where all the bottom three teams were terrible.

 

[Harryflashman]

During his final season though there were posters on here demanding he pushed on from 48 points (and circa 12th position without points deduction) that we’d achieved the season before. All we did that summer though was sell Onana and Godfrey Dobbin and bring in Ndiaye Iroegbunam and OBrien plus some loans (Broja injured, Mangala and Lindstrom). The narrative was that he was a terrible manager if he didn’t move us forward.

We’re now in a position though where a lot of people are saying 12th would be ok because we’ve been in relegation battles the last 4 seasons and need some slow stability. This is after over 100mill was spent on the squad with all the best players kept from last season.

This for me is the hypocrisy in expectations. I don’t think anyone was arguing to keep Dyche beyond the ownership change or his contract end, but honestly the bile towards him on the eve of his final season with us was absolutely ridiculous given what he’d navigated us through in the previous 18 months. Grown adults absolutely melting down and venting their spleen because Dyche didn’t start Roman Dixon first game of the season (where’s he now by the way?). I’ve never seen anything like it.

Moyes is a much better manager than Dyche in my opinion, but David Moyes had no interest in joining us in Jan 23 when he was managing West Ham in Europe and we were 19th in the prem with 18 games to go getting punted for 4 goals every game with one of the worst squadsin the league, an injury crisis, and a horrendous fixture list left. Not to mention the points deductions that followed and the selling of a big asset every window. We couldn’t have attracted a manager of his talent, so we got the one manager who would take the job in amongst all the pressure that was on him.

This club owes a massive debt to Sean Dyche because we could quite easily be in the championship or worse now leading our new stadium at best and doing a fire sale of every decent player we have to keep the administrators from the door. The Friedkins and 100 mill war chests would be an absolute pipe dream. But yeah you were a bit bored with the footy for a bit and he didn’t play Roman Dixon…

So I’ve said I think he did well when he first came and navigated the deduction well .

As regards ‘a bit bored ‘ , the last season at goodison was a chore .

In half a century at goodison I don’t think I’ve ever seen the fans so disengaged. People were basically chatting and paying zero attention to the football . As for tickets , for the majority of the games you literally , and literally I mean that literally , couldn’t give tickets away . I know because I experienced that .

In what should have been a celebratory last season at the ground , fans had no interest in going and an awful lot of that had to do with Dyche . Once he departed the same fans were pestering you to go . So for me it’s a little bit more than a bit bored .

Also we went 13 games without a win , I’m pretty sure that might be the first time that’s happened in the clubs history . How many clubs have had a run that bad and not replaced the manager ? It’s awful and I’m still staggered that Dyche or any manager anywhere survived that

 

[Clarky cat]

He hit a ceiling his last year for sure mate, but he walked into a maunure show as we know on the pitch and internally.

Hes a limited fire fighter, but i respect what he did here - in the context of the time and im grateful to him.

He sets his teams out to get a point a game, he has done this in every Premier league game he’s ever managed and is exactly why he’s always floating around the relegation places.
In his entire managerial career of over 300 odd games his teams have scored less than a goal a game, dress that up any way you want but this is a manager who puts his teams in the dog dirt, has no idea how to score goals from open play and relies on defensive luck to get his monumental 1.08 PPG. He’s a defensive coach masquerading as a manager whose last two employers were the clueless Farhad Moshiri and the bloated carvery pest at Forest.

 

[COYBL25]

During his final season though there were posters on here demanding he pushed on from 48 points (and circa 12th position without points deduction) that we’d achieved the season before. All we did that summer though was sell Onana and Godfrey Dobbin and bring in Ndiaye Iroegbunam and OBrien plus some loans (Broja injured, Mangala and Lindstrom). The narrative was that he was a terrible manager if he didn’t move us forward.

We’re now in a position though where a lot of people are saying 12th would be ok because we’ve been in relegation battles the last 4 seasons and need some slow stability. This is after over 100mill was spent on the squad with all the best players kept from last season.

This for me is the hypocrisy in expectations. I don’t think anyone was arguing to keep Dyche beyond the ownership change or his contract end, but honestly the bile towards him on the eve of his final season with us was absolutely ridiculous given what he’d navigated us through in the previous 18 months. Grown adults absolutely melting down and venting their spleen because Dyche didn’t start Roman Dixon first game of the season (where’s he now by the way?). I’ve never seen anything like it.

Moyes is a much better manager than Dyche in my opinion, but David Moyes had no interest in joining us in Jan 23 when he was managing West Ham in Europe and we were 19th in the prem with 18 games to go getting punted for 4 goals every game with one of the worst squadsin the league, an injury crisis, and a horrendous fixture list left. Not to mention the points deductions that followed and the selling of a big asset every window. We couldn’t have attracted a manager of his talent, so we got the one manager who would take the job in amongst all the pressure that was on him.

This club owes a massive debt to Sean Dyche because we could quite easily be in the championship or worse now leading our new stadium at best and doing a fire sale of every decent player we have to keep the administrators from the door. The Friedkins and 100 mill war chests would be an absolute pipe dream. But yeah you were a bit bored with the footy for a bit and he didn’t play Roman Dixon…

You`re very conveniently forgetting, that he gave up and manufactured his own dismissal,to maximise his pay out.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Sacked in less than 12 months

lets see 12 weeks/matches first.

The jabba the hutt-esque owner is the maelstrom there, a season where they over produced, he's gone crying off to the league twice - once over the release clause for a player and then some technicality to demote palace and he's gambled and won.
He's gotten very used to getting his way, but that's not how sport works, just because you want something enough doesn't mean it'll happen for you.

Although we hated his football, and his god awful interviews, it was his honesty in the end that allowed his iron like death grip to release our club, I can't remember any other manager stating what he did about players not responding and his being beyond the means to facilitate change. For that and his keeping us alive (granted on life support - but that was as much to do with the mosh man and co) then I wish him no ill will.

He's on a charmed thing at forest, if he fails its because of the maniacal owner and expectation beyond the fairytale he lives in, and if he succeeds then he swaggers on and the legend of dychey is enhanced. Quids in all round.

Football through a prism of perversion. If it was a tv soap it'd have been binned so long ago to be ancient history.