We need to talk about Nottingham Forest.

[Charro]

The narrative around managers like dyche is always weird to me.

First off, the notion that they’re pragmatic and set a team up to suit the players instead of being a systems manager.

Dyche is a systems manager. He has one way of playing and that’s it.

Secondly this narrative about him wanting to win first and foremost. He doesn’t set out to win, he sets out not to lose then hopes his attacking players come up with something.

Also, his win percentage record is terrible.

Thirdly, that he’s a manager who gets you out of trouble. He does initially but he gets you right back into trouble because his way of playing is so easy to beat.

He does a great job getting his point across in the media that he’s hard done by with the reputation he has, but over time he proves he is nothing but a basic, negative manager who can’t build a team to play football.

He’ll be a disaster over time and their fans will end up hating him.

 

[Davideeyore]

. I feel sorry for their fans,

Forest fans? Never.

 

[Davideeyore]

Scabs that poverty chant and sing the sign on. Hope they get tortured by Dyche's anti football.

 

[Walken]

What have I exaggerated?

You've removed a fair bit of context from your framing imo.

Personally I'd feel happier about ange still being there in the hope forest get relegated, but you never know

 

[MikeH72]

The narrative around managers like dyche is always weird to me.

First off, the notion that they’re pragmatic and set a team up to suit the players instead of being a systems manager.

Dyche is a systems manager. He has one way of playing and that’s it.

Secondly this narrative about him wanting to win first and foremost. He doesn’t set out to win, he sets out not to lose then hopes his attacking players come up with something.

Also, his win percentage record is terrible.

Thirdly, that he’s a manager who gets you out of trouble. He does initially but he gets you right back into trouble because his way of playing is so easy to beat.

He does a great job getting his point across in the media that he’s hard done by with the reputation he has, but over time he proves he is nothing but a basic, negative manager who can’t build a team to play football.

He’ll be a disaster over time and their fans will end up hating him.

The mutual love of Maggie Thatcher will ensure the fans never turn on him imo.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Can't wait for him to say at last I'm at a big club.

 

[Swartzy]

I appreciate it’s an unpopular decision but I think he did very well when he first arrived and during the points deduction.

That’s not to say I think that his performance dropped because it did and we were certainly underperforming for much of his later career here .

I’m certainly grateful for some of his efforts however his attitude towards the club and general public persona made it very difficult for me to, and I think much of the fan base to take to him.

The bottom part of your post is spot on.

Do I like Dyche as a manager - No chance, but he did keep us up, so I'll give him that..

His whole philosophy towards football is shocking and brain draining..
( I expect that ran through the entire squad and backroom )

But the worst thing about him is his 'Deserved' Attitude, it stinks..
He talks like the world owes him something, and anything that goes wrong is down to someone else..

His head is so far up his own backside, he thinks his don't stink.

So i can't and won't wish him luck..

Hopefully this Forest stint knocks him back down to earth..

 

[Delargeinho]

Funny you say that.

It's definitely true for Dyche, but I think their squad is massively overrated. Nuno did a great job papering over the cracks by essentially picking a counter attacking system that accounted for a lot of their flaws. Coupled with a year where a lot of upper mid table teams were in transition, and you get an outlier where they finish much higher than their squad quality indicates.

Aside from Murillo and Anderson (edit: and MGW), I genuinely cannot think of anyone else in their squad who is of the standard to play European football. Massive readjustment of expectations needed!

It‘s not a team that is top 6 on paper, but should nowhwere be near relegation. I would say, if this team finishes 10 or 12th, no one can speak about a bad season.

I guess Dyche will find answers to make them defensively more stable and lack of set piece goals with Sels and Murillo, but there are righteously doubts whether he can make them more effective in front of the goal, which was a big problem this year as for example Chris Wood is not massively overachiving anymore, despite good passing and possession numbers under Ange.

 

[Marius57]

Poor Forest fan, even if they are bells.

How the hell has he fallen into a job with European football.

They must be leading to PSR issues just from manager payoffs alone as I’m assuming he is rinsing them with salary considering length of contract and recent their history of sackings.

 

[Saint Domingo]

My problem , along with his persona , was he seemed to be unwilling to see beyond putting the fire out . Even when it was out he wasn’t turning off the hoses .

Also that winless run was unacceptable at pretty much any club in the football world

During his final season though there were posters on here demanding he pushed on from 48 points (and circa 12th position without points deduction) that we’d achieved the season before. All we did that summer though was sell Onana and Godfrey Dobbin and bring in Ndiaye Iroegbunam and OBrien plus some loans (Broja injured, Mangala and Lindstrom). The narrative was that he was a terrible manager if he didn’t move us forward.

We’re now in a position though where a lot of people are saying 12th would be ok because we’ve been in relegation battles the last 4 seasons and need some slow stability. This is after over 100mill was spent on the squad with all the best players kept from last season.

This for me is the hypocrisy in expectations. I don’t think anyone was arguing to keep Dyche beyond the ownership change or his contract end, but honestly the bile towards him on the eve of his final season with us was absolutely ridiculous given what he’d navigated us through in the previous 18 months. Grown adults absolutely melting down and venting their spleen because Dyche didn’t start Roman Dixon first game of the season (where’s he now by the way?). I’ve never seen anything like it.

Moyes is a much better manager than Dyche in my opinion, but David Moyes had no interest in joining us in Jan 23 when he was managing West Ham in Europe and we were 19th in the prem with 18 games to go getting punted for 4 goals every game with one of the worst squadsin the league, an injury crisis, and a horrendous fixture list left. Not to mention the points deductions that followed and the selling of a big asset every window. We couldn’t have attracted a manager of his talent, so we got the one manager who would take the job in amongst all the pressure that was on him.

This club owes a massive debt to Sean Dyche because we could quite easily be in the championship or worse now leading our new stadium at best and doing a fire sale of every decent player we have to keep the administrators from the door. The Friedkins and 100 mill war chests would be an absolute pipe dream. But yeah you were a bit bored with the footy for a bit and he didn’t play Roman Dixon…

 

[Walken]

2 year contract is hilarious. I feel sorry for their fans, it’s often them who suffer the most, if Dyche manages to survive until Christmas with a few 1-0 wins he will be laughing.

Still an indication that he's a short term option, I'd imagine forest wanted an 18 month deal and it got negotiated up

 

[Walken]

My problem , along with his persona , was he seemed to be unwilling to see beyond putting the fire out . Even when it was out he wasn’t turning off the hoses .

Also that winless run was unacceptable at pretty much any club in the football world

I think that's spot on, he had a platform to do far better in his 3rd season and bottled it.

 

[pfim]

Marinakis still isn't being talked about enough.

I mean, he goes from their most successful manager in two decades, someone who built a solid defensive foundation and an good counter-attacking side, to:

A guy who thinks defense is left to more earthly creatures, to:

The embodiment of that earthly creature, who thinks attacking football is only for state-sponsored clubs

He made a 160 degree turn to Ange, then a complete 180 to Dyche.

I wonder what Edu thinks of Dyche. Probably wishes he never left Arsenal.

Dyche won't let them go down, we know that. But can he do it on a cool, mild night in Porto?

Probably doesn't matter, Marinakis has crushed the good work done up until the end of last season when he went on the pitch and berated his manager.

 

[Swartzy]

Forest couldn't get who they wanted, so they grabbed a stop gap to tide them over til the summer.

 

[Bryan+]

Marinakis still isn't being talked about enough.

I mean, he goes from their most successful manager in two decades, someone who built a solid defensive foundation and an good counter-attacking side, to:

A guy who thinks defense is left to more earthly creatures, to:

The embodiment of that earthly creature, who thinks attacking football is only for state-sponsored clubs

He made a 160 degree turn to Ange, then a complete 180 to Dyche.

I wonder what Edu thinks of Dyche. Probably wishes he never left Arsenal.

Dyche won't let them go down, we know that. But can he do it on a cool, mild night in Porto?

Probably doesn't matter, Marinakis has crushed the good work done up until the end of last season when he went on the pitch and berated his manager.

well he is, i suggested above the Forest Fans target him for their agnst - he will sell up or seek investment very soon, they cannot sack two managers and buy £100m players and conform to PSR. They will be selling their assets or giving 10 year contracts to the dinner ladies soon.