Way of playing

[Zatara]

Indeed it does, but Tony Adams and the like were 80’s footballers under George Graham, who used to tie a rope round them in training to ensure a the back line remained a line.

And you’re right he had a 21 year old unknown Patrick Viera who had played 3 games the previous season.

But ‘twas the tactics and the coaching of the manager which changed the entire philosophy and mindset of that team

I dont see how its so relatable:

1-- Seaman / Winterburn / Keown / Adams / Dixon were all England Internationals who had played together over several years

If we compare to

Coleman -- looks finished
Keane -- Useless last season
Zouma -- loan
Digne -- New player

Then they wont be on the same wavelength in comparison.


2 -- When Wenger came in the players seemed to want to buy into his thinking as a group with the leaders following his instructions....we comparitvely have no leaders bar Coleman who looks finished.

3 -- Perhaps the players just arent good enough as evidenced when we play the top 6 ?

 

[davek]

We virtually have no right side to the team. Walcott is a joke and Coleman is poor now.

It's hard to make any system work with that handicap.

All talk about systems working/not working need to be shelved until Silva has that right side sorted and a striker and a better GK than the pudding we have right now.

 

[Kenshin]

The thing is, it's also down to the players rather than just the manager.

Moyes could have won the league if the board has backed him with better players, and he didn't fear other teams every week. That was his downfall.

Martinez could have won the league if we just scored one more than the opposition.

Koeman was neither here nor there admittedly.

Allardyce could have won the league (any other time) if the defence held out and we got that one goal to win.

So you put a better defence into allardyce team and a clinical striker who can take that one chance and do that every week and you win games. You make sure you outscore the other team and you win games. better players do half the job without the manager input, only when you see players not playing for the manager aka Jose this year and Roberto's last season that the manager Input has no effect.

 

[nsno-chris]

I dont see how its so relatable:

1-- Seaman / Winterburn / Keown / Adams / Dixon were all England Internationals who had played together over several years

If we compare to

Coleman -- looks finished
Keane -- Useless last season
Zouma -- loan
Digne -- New player

Then they wont be on the same wavelength in comparison.


2 -- When Wenger came in the players seemed to want to buy into his thinking as a group with the leaders following his instructions....we comparitvely have no leaders bar Coleman who looks finished.

3 -- Perhaps the players just arent good enough as evidenced when we play the top 6 ?

Zat you’re going slightly off the point; te question in this case was can a manager coach an “experienced” player and teach them differently.

The answer is yes

 

[Axlswhk]

You think Walcott is top class?
You want to play DCL/Tosun/Niasse to get to the top 4?
Just want Keane/Mina/Jags/Holgate as CBs?
Davies/Gana/Gylfi/Schneiderlin

Id say youre the only poster who rates all those players...



So i think the players arent suited to the system and you want to keep the same players...and somehow improve them...

Who can improve 29 year old coleman, gylfi, gana ?

How to improve niasse tosun ?


Its like saying a top manager could improve rubbish players to get them top 4...


Oh, and i dont play FIFA...but ive noticed those that post about computer games use it as some kind of insult lol


The fact is BETTER players are needed....you just need to watch the games to see that, not expect Tosun to become Messi lol

Your opinion is too simplistic. Your post is always leaning towards recruitment and very soon you’ll be mouthing off a whole list of potential. It’s fun stuff without any trace of reality I’m afraid. You’re simply suggesting removing 60% of our playing squad to improve things. Yeah I could do that with 60b hack playing fm.

The reality is half of what you’re trying to say. No doubt we need better players, at this stage of our development, the next level of players we’re trying to sign is exactly the same players targeted by teams like Chelsea city spurs Liverpool. Can we do that in one transfer window? No, the next sensible things is to improve the tactics to bring the best out of whatever we have.

You benchmark players Silva brought in, eg Digne and Richarlison, and make a sweeping statement of how they suit Silva’s style but to be fair they have a lot to improve as with the entire team, manager included.

For you to say the only way to change things is go for a massive overhaul is a fifa approach bordering on fantasy.

 

[Prevenger17]

We are such pure utter garbo all over the field that it's hard to know where to start fixing things. You can either say:

A) It's complicated, we are underperforming and we need to get back to basics, find some way of clawing back morale

Or

B) Blame all our old players, because they are making all our young players bad somehow


I wonder what Zatara thinks

 

[Zatara]

Zat you’re going slightly off the point; te question in this case was can a manager coach an “experienced” player and teach them differently.

The answer is yes

Not at all...it depends on the circumstances and quality and type of player as i said...in my opinion.

Your opinion is too simplistic. Your post is always leaning towards recruitment and very soon you’ll be mouthing off a whole list of potential. It’s fun stuff without any trace of reality I’m afraid. You’re simply suggesting removing 60% of our playing squad to improve things. Yeah I could do that with 60b hack playing fm.

The reality is half of what you’re trying to say. No doubt we need better players, at this stage of our development, the next level of players we’re trying to sign is exactly the same players targeted by teams like Chelsea city spurs Liverpool. Can we do that in one transfer window? No, the next sensible things is to improve the tactics to bring the best out of whatever we have.

You benchmark players Silva brought in, eg Digne and Richarlison, and make a sweeping statement of how they suit Silva’s style but to be fair they have a lot to improve as with the entire team, manager included.

For you to say the only way to change things is go for a massive overhaul is a fifa approach bordering on fantasy.

And yet the past 3 managers have all done this lol

Weve even done this in the summer to an extent of filling 3 positions permanently.

 

[Sheedy's right knee.]

We are going through a bad spell, This is Silvas 1st real test. But I’m gonna stick my neck out here and try and be objective. If you look at the Chelsea away game and Liverpool away. We were much more solid, everyone appeared to know their jobs. There was a lot more unity. In terms of playing personel the back 4 was pretty much the same with the exception of Zouma. But he isn’t the route cause of our problems. We played Richarlison through the middle who is better in that position than Calvert Lewin and Tosun, Bernard is a good footballer competitive and more importantly retains the ball. Gana has been missed more so than I’ve given credit. I do think that Coleman is struggling, more so with the footballing side than defending. The game yesterday turned out to be a shocker but some of it was down to the opposition been very good. A contentious decision against us. Then a calamity by Pickford who to be fair I’m not convinced with. Makes easy saves look hard the 1st goal yesterday was a complete calamity. I thought Davies started the game well but when we went down a goal he stopped doing the simple things and started trying impossible balls rather than just keeping possession and taking the sting out of the game. Then bringing Schneiderlin on for Gomes who I think he was saving for Wednesday just compounded matters because he doesn’t look fit his touch was poor and he didn’t look like he was . I would keep Davies in the group of subs I would allow Calvert lewin to come in as an impact player against the bigger teams. We were woeful yesterday I’m not denying that but we did create chances and I actually think it’s a kick up the arse that we need and we will get back on track. We need to get back to basics though and get back to what we were doing well.