watching sport illegally debate

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ive just read this article on the guardian website.

i was wondering what people really think about watching football online illegally. do you do it ? what do you use ? is it wrong , or is it right ?

my opinion is that its wrong , but it feels so right ! :D

the article itself uses the example of the financial impact web crime had on the music industry in the past few years , and warns that the increased use of p2p sofware is now jeopordising football revenues.

in the case of the music industry , the cyber crime itself highlighted the fact that technology had changed the way consumers interact with there media and that the music industry was outdated and overpriced. the industry had to get with the times and modernise.

imo , p2p software is now showing that the way the premierleague allows access to there product aswell as subsription tv channels in general are also outdated .they dont utilise or acknowledge changes in modern technologies and dont live up to consumers expectations.

paying a high monthly tv subscription fee to watch perhaps one everton game a month and a load of other sport i might not want to watch is totally outdated and overpriced.
i want to watch every everton game and i want to watch them live.
if i cant get to a match in person , then the technology is there to watch it ONLINE !

neither the club site or fa site offer a live subscription or pay per play service. not even a slight delay service.
(perhaps there is an official fa live streaming site but ive never seen it:huh:)

im sure i speak for a lot of people when i say something like everton tv is only a very small step in the right direction to what we really want.
if people had access to an official quality online pay per view or subscription service to watch there team of choice live in full, then they would use it instead of illegal p2ps.

if the fa and prem league clubs dont modernise and just try to clamp down online streaming instead of harnessing it , then they are just burning orange trees to safeguard there glass of skytv o.j as far as im concerned , and will always lose out to cyber crime.
 

If they showed all the Everton games live home and away it would clearly impact on attendances, i mean i would rather watch it at the ground, but others who have to travel further might think twice.

With regard to the debate, its clearly wrong, but its a way of seeing your team live.
 
to be honest I'd need to do more thinking about it on a grander scale to work out exactly how much damage its doing.

I watch stuff free online all the time, but i'm still getting skysports hd on at the end of the month cause i want to watch it in hd, so I'm still contributing, but any games n ot on skysportsone, i will probably use p2p.

going back to the music industry, music companies have been saying for a few years that p2p is a new danger that might cause the music industry to implode.

I dont see how its significantly more harmful than when as a kid in the age of cassettes, any singles i wanted i recorded from the radi one top 40 countdown, and I always had a tape ready to record my favourite songs, and most of the albums me or my friends owned were copied from 'tape-to-tape' hifi's or ghetto-blasters etc.

Again I still paid for a fair deal of my music, so still contributed and the albums i copied from friends i probably wouldnt have actually shelled out for anyway so its hard yo see how the music companys lost out.
 
MikelsGoat said:
If they showed all the Everton games live home and away it would clearly impact on attendances, i mean i would rather watch it at the ground, but others who have to travel further might think twice.

With regard to the debate, its clearly wrong, but its a way of seeing your team live.
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normally i would agree. but there has been sell out crowds at prem games , despite the game being on tv aswell as illegal viewing online.

i think fans should be given a bit of credit. loyal fans will always want to go to the match whenever possible imo despite other alternatives.
 

inertia3112 said:
to be honest I'd need to do more thinking about it on a grander scale to work out exactly how much damage its doing.

I watch stuff free online all the time, but i'm still getting skysports hd on at the end of the month cause i want to watch it in hd, so I'm still contributing, but any games n ot on skysportsone, i will probably use p2p.

going back to the music industry, music companies have been saying for a few years that p2p is a new danger that might cause the music industry to implode.

I dont see how its significantly more harmful than when as a kid in the age of cassettes, any singles i wanted i recorded from the radi one top 40 countdown, and I always had a tape ready to record my favourite songs, and most of the albums me or my friends owned were copied from 'tape-to-tape' hifi's or ghetto-blasters etc.

Again I still paid for a fair deal of my music, so still contributed and the albums i copied from friends i probably wouldnt have actually shelled out for anyway so its hard yo see how the music companys lost out.
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id say a majority of people would say roughly the same as you just said.
 
inertia3112 said:
to be honest I'd need to do more thinking about it on a grander scale to work out exactly how much damage its doing.

I watch stuff free online all the time, but i'm still getting skysports hd on at the end of the month cause i want to watch it in hd, so I'm still contributing, but any games n ot on skysportsone, i will probably use p2p.

going back to the music industry, music companies have been saying for a few years that p2p is a new danger that might cause the music industry to implode.

I dont see how its significantly more harmful than when as a kid in the age of cassettes, any singles i wanted i recorded from the radi one top 40 countdown, and I always had a tape ready to record my favourite songs, and most of the albums me or my friends owned were copied from 'tape-to-tape' hifi's or ghetto-blasters etc.

Again I still paid for a fair deal of my music, so still contributed and the albums i copied from friends i probably wouldnt have actually shelled out for anyway so its hard yo see how the music companys lost out.
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That's spot on.
 
well madonna still sells out her gigs and so do a very lot of other bands/artists! so it aint done that much damage! apart from the producers ect... but the artists still get there cut from radio ect.. and even new sites like spotify!

if you are good enough! or even just run by the right people in the know you will prosper!

football could survive with out skys megabucks but todo so it needs a realetey check big time!
 
MikelsGoat said:
If they showed all the Everton games live home and away it would clearly impact on attendances, i mean i would rather watch it at the ground, but others who have to travel further might think twice.

With regard to the debate, its clearly wrong, but its a way of seeing your team live.
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You could implement something that they do in American sports for this.

Blackouts. For home games, a pre-defined area surrounding the main catchment area for the club can not watch the game on TV to prevent low attendances.

Now for people who live outside that area can subscribe to the service. I want to be able to watch every Everton game in HD, and I am willing to pay for the privilege (quite a bit too, I might add)
 

What they need is somewhere u can watch every Everton game. I sometimes pay for $15 for a 10 day subscription to watch on line, only when they show Everton games though which isn't very often.
 
Given the cost of being a football fan now, what with tickets, Sky, Setanta etc. maybe the industry needs to wake up and realise that we're in a bloody recession. Stop fleecing people to pay the rediculous wages of players.

As usual they are not understanding the reason why people watch matches on the Internet. Lets face it the qualty is generally rubbish compared to watching it on tv so it can only come down to cost. Subscribing to Sky/Setanta is simply too expensive for many people and thousands are being priced out. If you trust the viewing figures on some feeds it gets up to tens of thousands of people that the Premier League could entice as customers if they had a product that wasn't as bloody expensive.

Lets say for instance that fans only wanted to watch their own clubs games. Wouldn't that be a whole lot cheaper than having to pay for every single one? Would you as a fan pay a couple of quid each game to watch it legally on your own tv? Bet you would. We live in an age of customisation and of companies having to give customers exactly what they want, not mass market distribution of the same product to everyone.

Perhaps its time for the Premier League to get real.
 
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It's all about evolution, live screening of matches is in its relative infancy. It is awkward travelling from Northern Ireland to attend matches ie forward planning which matches to take in, only to find they have been changed for tv.
Everton tv has been, from reading posts, ropey at the best of times so I would welcome ppv if there were no last minute changes to schedules.
 
The amount of money in Football these days going around, we should get something back from it.
 

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