Was david moyes right all along that everton is like taking a knife to a gunfight

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Our fans have a far more defeatest attitude than Moyes did. Some of our fans were saying that we were acting entitled for expecting anything other than a 6-1 home defeat against Spurs last Christmas, and we were clapping our side off after 3-1 home defeat against City the other week.

Moyes restored our pride and had us acting like we were bigger and better than 75% of the league. He didn't have us rolling over for City and Spurs like we do these days

If Silva went ahead and achieved an away win at Manchester City, just like Palace and Wolves have done in recent months, then our fan base would be going into overdrive and acting like he was some kind of mastermind.
 
Gwladysstreetlad said:
Moyes understood the culture of modern Everton better then we did. Most of us still thought that we supported the Everton Football Club that had nine league titles, five FA Cups and Euro Cup Winners Cup to our name. We thought that we supported one of the most successful English clubs in the history of the sport who's motto: 'Nil Satis Nisi Optimum' actually meant somthing. We thought we supported a big club that had fallen on hard times and was fighting to get back to where we belonged.

We where wrong. You see what we didn't understand was that our owners thought they had a very different club to the one we supported. They thought (and still do) they owned a plus size version of Charlton or Fulham that was just a cash cow for them. Where expectations should be played down and masked with flowery speeches, where standards, pride and self-reapect were an optional extra and extremely well paid men like Moyes acted as patsy's, fall guys, frontmen and mouthpieces for the club.

So yeah Moyes was right in everying he said about modern day Everton. Don't blame the messanger for simply quoting his bosses mantra.
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Bill Kenwright has never seen Everton in any way comparable to clubs like Charlton and Fulham apart from them sometimes being in the same division. Are you referring to the other owner who was here for ten minutes or so?
 
Drop the Moyes love in fella's.
In 20 years of management his sum total is a Charity Shield with Alex Fergusons team.
Even the 3 managers since him have won actual trophies.( ex Fat Sam)
He is a serial bottler , a spent force and stunk the place out at Sociadad & Sunderland.
Yet some on here still think he's good enough for us.
There's a reason why he's been without a club for so long...no decent club will touch him.
Give yer heads a wobble he aint what we are needing.
 

blulouie said:
Drop the Moyes love in fella's.
In 20 years of management his sum total is a Charity Shield with Alex Fergusons team.
Even the 3 managers since him have won actual trophies.( ex Fat Sam)
He is a serial bottler , a spent force and stunk the place out at Sociadad & Sunderland.
Yet some on here still think he's good enough for us.
There's a reason why he's been without a club for so long...no decent club will touch him.
Give yer heads a wobble he aint what we are needing.
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'serial bottler' - Everton produced better results consistently under him than most (any?) teams with a similar budget.
In the time he was Everton manager - 9 different clubs won the three domestic trophies, that's it,. And I'd say only 2, at most, were running on budgets anywhere near Everton's budget. Everton are a massive club in stature but, in that decade, we were utterly, utterly skint, I don't get why this has been forgotten.

He might have had his best decade at Everton, and he's now a bit past his best, but no doubt Everton are in a better state because he was the manager.
 
Gwladysstreetlad said:
Moyes understood the culture of modern Everton better then we did. Most of us still thought that we supported the Everton Football Club that had nine league titles, five FA Cups and Euro Cup Winners Cup to our name. We thought that we supported one of the most successful English clubs in the history of the sport who's motto: 'Nil Satis Nisi Optimum' actually meant somthing. We thought we supported a big club that had fallen on hard times and was fighting to get back to where we belonged.

We where wrong. You see what we didn't understand was that our owners thought they had a very different club to the one we supported. They thought (and still do) they owned a plus size version of Charlton or Fulham that was just a cash cow for them. Where expectations should be played down and masked with flowery speeches, where standards, pride and self-reapect were an optional extra and extremely well paid men like Moyes acted as patsy's, fall guys, frontmen and mouthpieces for the club.

So yeah Moyes was right in everying he said about modern day Everton. Don't blame the messanger for simply quoting his bosses mantra.
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I'm not a Kenwright fan, but I think 'cash cow' links closer to the current owner than it does to Kenwright
 
dead_soft said:
'serial bottler' - Everton produced better results consistently under him than most (any?) teams with a similar budget.
In the time he was Everton manager - 9 different clubs won the three domestic trophies, that's it,. And I'd say only 2, at most, were running on budgets anywhere near Everton's budget. Everton are a massive club in stature but, in that decade, we were utterly, utterly skint, I don't get why this has been forgotten.

He might have had his best decade at Everton, and he's now a bit past his best, but no doubt Everton are in a better state because he was the manager.
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Most clubs were skint then mate.
He got us to a consistant level due to having 11 years in the job ( what other club would give him that without trophies)
His record agst the top sides was terrible , like at Old Trafford game was lost before a ball was kicked.
Had his good points I agree , but take away his previous connection with us and look at his record.....deffinately not for us.
 
blulouie said:
Drop the Moyes love in fella's.
In 20 years of management his sum total is a Charity Shield with Alex Fergusons team.
Even the 3 managers since him have won actual trophies.( ex Fat Sam)
He is a serial bottler , a spent force and stunk the place out at Sociadad & Sunderland.
Yet some on here still think he's good enough for us.
There's a reason why he's been without a club for so long...no decent club will touch him.
Give yer heads a wobble he aint what we are needing.
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WHU supporters I know were happy he came in and kept them up,and signed a one season contract and stept aside gracefully when the job was done.Not like Allardyce who rinsed us for the same work.So he isn't all bad,and in his last season we played some decent stuff.
 

Why are people making threads about what people,have said, ( negative ) I couldn’t give a camel poo what anyone says about us or has. We are Everton fc and always will be. Support the club and don’t worry about anyone’s quotes. Ffs
 
davids said:
WHU supporters I know were happy he came in and kept them up,and signed a one season contract and stept aside gracefully when the job was done.Not like Allardyce who rinsed us for the same work.So he isn't all bad,and in his last season we played some decent stuff.
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Didnt say he was all bad mate.
Just not what we need.
 
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