Wanting Success.

[Prevenger17]

He was here 11 seasons and you'd struggle to fill a 15 minute youtube video with highlights of progressive attacking play.

No Dave. Sure, he absolutely bottled it against teams he deemed us to be inferior to, but we played some cracking football with Cahill,Arteta, Pienaar, Baines etc. in the side. I remember us playing some great football in his last season with us too

 

[davek]

No Dave. Sure, he absolutely bottled it against teams he deemed us to be inferior to, but we played some cracking football with Cahill,Arteta, Pienaar, Baines etc. in the side. I remember us playing some great football in his last season with us too

I do too. I remember in particular an away game against Villa which Arteta bossed.

But they're flashes in the pan. He didn't use the talent of those players anything like regular enough and chose to hunker down in games against all but the very weakest in the division.

As said: a dullard. There can be no rewriting of history on that score, surely?

 

[TraffordBlue]

I do too. I remember in particular an away game against Villa which Arteta bossed.

But they're flashes in the pan. He didn't use the talent of those players anything like regular enough and chose to hunker down in games against all but the very weakest in the division.

As said: a dullard. There can be no rewriting of history on that score, surely?

What about the 7-1 against Sunderland, the 6-1 v SK Brann? If you want results against the bigger teams - the Andy Johnson 3-0 Derby, the 4-4 vs Man United at Old Trafford, the 3-3 at Goodison against them. We ended Arsenal's (the Champions) 30 unbeaten run with a last gasp goal from Rooney under Moyes. Were they dull games?

 

[Prevenger17]

As said: a dullard. There can be no rewriting of history on that score, surely?

Our best manager of the modern era too, I don't think we can rewrite history on that score either until someone better comes along. He built a great team with very limited resources and revitalised our club. While I'll never quite forgive him for obvious reasons, his tenure here shouldn't be underplayed, he did a fantastic job

 

[davek]

What about the 7-1 against Sunderland, the 6-1 v SK Brann? If you want results against the bigger teams - the Andy Johnson 3-0 Derby, the 4-4 vs Man United at Old Trafford, the 3-3 at Goodison against them. We ended Arsenal's (the Champions) 30 unbeaten run with a last gasp goal from Rooney under Moyes. Were they dull games?

11 years he was here mate.

 

[davek]

Our best manager of the modern era too, I don't think we can rewrite history on that score either until someone better comes along. He built a great team with very limited resources and revitalised our club. While I'll never quite forgive him for obvious reasons, his tenure here shouldn't be underplayed, he did a fantastic job

Ha ha ha...oh sorry, you're being serious?

 

[TraffordBlue]

11 years he was here mate.

No answer have you. Took us from relegation strugglers to among the top 5 or 6 in several seasons, with only 2 bottom half finishes in 11 years. What we'd give to be in that position now. Instead, we're a million miles away from the so called 'Big 6' getting destroyed 10-3 to a 'poor by their standards' Arsenal side over 2 games, and will finish below Burnley who have done the double over us for the first time in decades. All this despite spending sums of Money Moyes could only dream of spending, whilst here.

We have a huge rebuilding job to be done thanks to the mess Martinez and Koeman have caused/left us in once we get rid of Allardyce, just to get back to where we were under Moyes. Which we will both agree isn't even success anyway, but significantly better than what we have been left with at the current time since he moved on.

 

[Prevenger17]

Ha ha ha...oh sorry, you're being serious?

Oh Dave, we're never going to see eye to eye on this

 

[Pabbers]

How dare us, we should know our place.....

 

[windymiller]

Please calmly put your head back on, I know I said the S word and the W word in the same sentence.

Fans of yesteryear hung banners ‘Sack Catterick, Keep Young’, they jostled him in a car park, they stayed away from Goodison in their droves no less than 3 seasons after a title winning campaign. Catterick responded with a cup win, Alan Ball was brought in and one of the greatest sides in English football history was created to win the title again.

These same fans daubed ‘Kendall out’ on the walls of Bellefield, they threw cushions at the team, they would not go to Goodison, 30,000 stay at home fans couldn’t be wrong. Kendall went on to win the cup and created one of the greatest sides in English football history.

Young fans now have not seen success in any way shape or form. Trophies may as well be a myth and home derby wins can be counted on one hand, away ones on one finger. We are not jostling managers in car parks because we’re not winning trophies, we’re not staying away from Goodison (although I still think more should), and we’re not throwing stuff into the hallowed turf in disgust.

Yet look at the reaction to what little fans have done. A section of fans booed Schneiderlin: ‘embarassing, not real fans, how’s that supporting the team’, they flew a few planes against Kenwright: ‘careful what you wish for, cringeworthy, disrespectful’, they daubed Martinez out on Goodison ‘how dare they, embarassing the fans, just no patience’, they hung Martinez out banners and ones in support of Baines ‘cringeworthy, no patience, won’t wait for anything, Kopite behaviour’.

If so much as a blue flare is lit - kopite behaviour

If we get excited about a raft of new signings - Geordies

If anyone dares stand up or sing at the match even - ‘sit down’.


What happened to Everton fans? How did they go from knocking down a title winning manager to being revolted by any fan who dares do anything in the name of wanting success. Would you prefer we all sat in silence whilst Kenwright and Elstone preside over another decade of mediocrity?

Do you know what that behaviour gets you? It gets you the clip art badge, it gets you ‘expected losses’, it gets you close to a decade of no derby wins, it gets you the local paper telling you why you should be 11th. It gets you managers hired after relegation, it gets you Cuco Martina, Ashley Williams and Morgan Schneiderlin. It gets you Sam Allardyce telling you that we can’t win a game of football before we’ve even started. Is this what you want?

Don’t settle for what they feed you.

Demand better, expect better, never give up on Nil Satis Nisi Optimum.

Tell that old fart or that stupid bearded hipster at the match to shut their hole when they tell you to sit down, stop booing or put your banner away.

It had to start with the fans. Once we let go Elstone Kenwright et al have won. They’re almost there. Packed crowds at Goodison to watch a Sam Allardyce team after they sold all our best players and we gave up every trophy this season. It’s a disgrace. A disgrace that Everton fans of previous generations would never ever have stood for. There’s nothing embarassing about wanting success.

Demand better.

Brilliant post, you put it far better than I ever could. NSNO (and let's mean it!).

 

[Saint Domingo]

No answer have you. Took us from relegation strugglers to among the top 5 or 6 in several seasons, with only 2 bottom half finishes in 11 years. What we'd give to be in that position now. Instead, we're a million miles away from the so called 'Big 6' getting destroyed 10-3 to a 'poor by their standards' Arsenal side over 2 games, and will finish below Burnley who have done the double over us for the first time in decades. All this despite spending sums of Money Moyes could only dream of spending, whilst here.

We have a huge rebuilding job to be done thanks to the mess Martinez and Koeman have caused/left us in once we get rid of Allardyce, just to get back to where we were under Moyes. Which we will both agree isn't even success anyway, but significantly better than what we have been left with at the current time since he moved on.

Finished ahead of Liverpool 3 times in 11 seasons. Once ahead of their CL winning side then twice in a row ahead of squads containing Suarez Coutinho Sturridge Gerrard and Sterling. Rubbish manager though apparently.

 

[windymiller]

Finished ahead of Liverpool 3 times in 11 seasons. Once ahead of their CL winning side then twice in a row ahead of squads containing Suarez Coutinho Sturridge Gerrard and Sterling. Rubbish manager though apparently.

He clearly wasn't a rubbish manager for us, but where @davek was right is that he isn't a manager that satisfied the criteria of your OP either. The comments about knives and gunfights and all of the managing expectations stuff that came out of the club (often via Moyes himself) has resulted in the situation we are in now where 6th place is celebrated like a title win. Despite all of the to and fro on this thread it seems clear to me that most fans want us to aspire to win things and that many of us are worried that the club doesn't actually care too much about that. Of course they would be happy if we won things but the business model works fine without that and that is my major worry.

 

[Brendan Janus]

Finished ahead of Liverpool 3 times in 11 seasons. Once ahead of their CL winning side then twice in a row ahead of squads containing Suarez Coutinho Sturridge Gerrard and Sterling. Rubbish manager though apparently.

He wore bad cardigans though ! And owned a rocking chair !!

 

[Papa Shango]

Finished ahead of Liverpool 3 times in 11 seasons. Once ahead of their CL winning side then twice in a row ahead of squads containing Suarez Coutinho Sturridge Gerrard and Sterling. Rubbish manager though apparently.

Won nothing in his career either. A long career one where he was in charge of the nations biggest club and managed a club for 11 years which is very rare these days.

He did a good job for us by and large.

 

[Papa Shango]

Our best manager of the modern era too, I don't think we can rewrite history on that score either until someone better comes along. He built a great team with very limited resources and revitalised our club. While I'll never quite forgive him for obvious reasons, his tenure here shouldn't be underplayed, he did a fantastic job

He did a decent to good job.