Vic Flange
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Re-interpretation of the rules to suit the decision again.
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Archie Knox
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The deliberate handball thing is ridiculous. Of course it wasn't deliberate handball, but that's not what matters. It hit his hand and they gained an advantage (City not being able to score/get an attempt on goal) from it. I know the FA bend over backwards to keep Liverpool happy, but mid-game rule changes is a completely new one. Now watch when we play them, the same thing will happen to us but the FA will say they've since changed the rules and now any handball in the area is a penalty. Time to accept they are champions and that is that.
Listen to Dermot here.
Because Oliver seen it, it's not a pen..... Even though VAR is supposed to to overrule clear and obvious error lol
Because Oliver seen it, it's not a pen..... Even though VAR is supposed to to overrule clear and obvious error lol
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The rules are written so they can award or not award a pen or any incident and have a rules to state why the ref was right. If he give it ( lol ) there would have been a rule saying he was right to. They have so many “outs” that the ref can make whatever call and be deemed correct . It’s a disgrace
artetas_biggest_fan
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You skipped past Silva’s handball. City “gained an advantage” when he handled it. The ball goes away from the box had it not come off his arm.
The VAR is slanted toward the decision...so had he gave the pen, it would have been a pen.
He also confirmed my earlier point (few pages back) that had the ball gone to Augero (or Sterling) and they scored, it would have been disallowed for Silva’s handball which created a goalscoring opportunity.
Given that Silva’s handball is a foul and would have disallowed any City goal, they ultimately got the decision correct.
The crux of the matter is this: the flaw is treating Silva’s handball different depending on the outcome. For the penalty review it wasn’t included (deemed unintentional), for any goal review it would have been included (regardless of being deemed unintentional). It’s complete nonsense. It’s either a foul or it isn’t. If you would cancel a goal because it came off his arm, then you cancel any subsequent penalty decision.
The problem with var is that we use to have 1 incompetent clown ruining matches. Now we have 2 incompetent clowns ruining matches.
mrb85
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Don't forget that this ridiculous new handball rule which treats attackers and defenders differently was only introduced to make it VAR-friendly -- to remove subjective judgement when a ball hits an attacker's hand and ends in a goal or a penalty appeal, but also to stop attackers deliberating aiming the ball at a defenders hand/arm
Still can't believe how quickly it was used yesterday. Took them 3 or 4 minutes to disallow Shef U goal but takes them 5 seconds to check a similar incident with Salah goal. Takes them 3 minutes to check Alli handball vs us but yesterday takes them about 5 seconds to check handball.
Imagine we scored 2 goals at Anfield like that no way on earth would they be given or checked for a combined 10seconds if that. Probably checked for 5 minutes to draw wiggly lines to give offside haha
Imagine we scored 2 goals at Anfield like that no way on earth would they be given or checked for a combined 10seconds if that. Probably checked for 5 minutes to draw wiggly lines to give offside haha
Ref Watch: VAR correct to stick with on-field decision for Trent Alexander-Arnold handball, says Dermot Gallagher
Plus analysis of other VAR calls, as Sheffield United have a goal chalked off and Man Utds Brandon Williams catches a Brighton player with a high boot
So VAR, the system brought in to stop referees making mistakes, is irrelevant if the referee can see the incident happen in the first place. Even if he makes a mistake.
Absolutely laughable. They're making it up as they go to benefit them.
Everton1970
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The Alexander handball was a pen in isolation but itsa what comes before it in this instance, if it goes to VAR for a penalty check, its not a pen as its Silvas handball and a free kick to the RS. So suppose the decision not to award the pen was correct. The argument then becomes whether to disallow the goal and drag play back for the free kick, which it should have.
That's not how it works, but I really can't be doing with going into this again.
I'd simply advise checking the rules on the unnatural position of arms and hands.
Everton1970
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Its not a pen though, as the original 'foul' was Silva. So if Oliver blows for a pen and its reviewed by VAR, its not a pen as the offence (assist, if you like) was by Silva. It that ball passes by Alexander and Sterling slots it, its no goal as its handball. I don't need to check any rules to know that the original offense was Silvas, and City would have gained an advantage from a handball, intentional or not. As I say, the argument then becomes whether to disallow the goal and it should have been chalked off but it's not a pen. I suggest you check the rules.
I've said it before but isn't Arnold handballing it and liverpool scoring the same as if silva handled it and sterling scores although further from goal?
How far up the pitch are you not allowed to handball it and score?
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