VAR

[Zezti]

The use of it to micro-analyse every single goal and every possible penalty incident for a possible infringement is what is making it a farce.

Someone at VAR HQ needs to look up the words 'clear and obvious' in the dictionary. If it continues as it is now it will be scrapped simply because it is doing much more harm than good.

I really do think one of the simplest ways to adhere to the 'clear and obvious' requirements for intervention would be to set a time limit. Somewhere between 30 seconds to 1 minute. If the VAR can't come to a conclusion after watching 30 to 60 seconds of frame-by-frame replays then it can't possibly be a 'clear and obvious' error.

We'd have no long waits then, as well.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

I really do think one of the simplest ways to adhere to the 'clear and obvious' requirements for intervention would be to set a time limit. Somewhere between 30 seconds to 1 minute. If the VAR can't come to a conclusion after watching 30 to 60 seconds of frame-by-frame replays then it can't possibly be a 'clear and obvious' error.

We'd have no long waits then, as well.

They need to do what they do in cricket. Instead of VAR intervening and scrutinising every incident, give the teams on the pitch 2 reviews per game where they have the option to have a contentious decision checked by the cameras. This would lessen the disruption to play and encourage teams to request a review only when they are convinced that there has been a 'clear and obvious' error.

 

[Tubey]

They need to do what they do in cricket. Instead of VAR intervening and scrutinising every incident, give the teams on the pitch 2 reviews per game where they have the option to have a contentious decision checked by the cameras. This would lessen the disruption to play and encourage teams to request a review only when they are convinced that there has been a 'clear and obvious' error.

Problem with that is cricket gets it right on review.

VAR has got it wrong pretty much every time this weekend.

 

[Walken]

the refs viewing screens wont change a single thing by the way, I didn't want it because its destructive from an entertainment perspective, but even as a tool for correct decisions its been far far worse than I could have imagined. Get rid

 

[bluejim95]

I want to hear the conversation like they do in rugby. Get the review footage on the big screen and have the on field ref drive the decision. I still cant believe Mina's header from the other week was not reviewed because the ref blew his whistle before. If it can pull back play for a red card, surely incorrectly disallowed goals should be in scope.

I do echo the comments of it killing the game. It's not even like it's just the odd incident, nearly every game is being effected by it. The contrast in decisions is unreal and makes you question whether the refs even know the rules. It clearly has a knock on to the players, Brighton were done till VAR threw them a penalty. Similar happened in the Chelsea game, though they already had a 4-0 lead.

Also, players deliberately looking for contact needs to be stopped. I'm convinced Connelly was looking for that, Vardy was similar, steps across to play the challenge not the ball. Its cheating in my book as fair play is always playing the ball.

The RS first goal against spurs was as an interesting one as well, Firmino goes down like he's been shot in the build up, as clear dive as you will see. Surely the dive is before the goal? Surely its effecting play? Yet it's not even mentioned, not pulled up on the check. If they want to cut out diving it has to be considered cheating, not just for penalty decisions.

 

[spectateur]

It's open to as much fiddling and manipulation as they like. It's another way for the game to be externally altered.

It will never work and it will destroy the game.

I think that the prospect of external manipulation is possibly the main worry about the system.
For instance the possible corruption by gambling sindicates
Everton 2-1 up with 10min to go. What odds on a Brighton win? Insiders at VAR could help that happen. Before you laugh don't you think te FA and fifa are not already corrupt and in the hands of the TV companies.

 

[kenada_blue]

Problem with that is cricket gets it right on review.

VAR has got it wrong pretty much every time this weekend.

Mainly because a large part of decisions in football are subjective and interpretive.

This isn't the case in rugby, cricket, tennis etc where you blatantly have "did this happen, yes or no?" rules.

In a split second you have to analyse a tackle, for eg, with multiple view points - win the ball, angle, force, follow through, control, infringement. Most of these will be opinions open for debate.

Now you have instead of one person, the ref, in control of the game you have 2 and a million camera angles. Once you release control from the person supposed to be in control, they'll question themselves because the technology is "better" than them and won't or hardly debate it.

Then you've got the fact that VAR has blatantly missed probably 80% of things it's supposed to identify so far this season. Ends up a farce.

 

[JLW]

Bin the lot we don’t need VAR!! Over 100 years football has been going with a referee in control of the decisions. Keep it this way (yes they are ‘kin useless) but tell me a time in footballing history they haven’t been??

Until you have clear laws/rules then interpretation of the referee is always going to cause debate, I have no problem with this, what I have a problem with is asking someone just as useless to make the decision when he’s not even in the ground! And still can’t get decisions right.

The greatest feeling going or watching the game is roar when your team scores, but now that’s seems to be taken away in case there was some infringement by the half way line leading up to the goal!!

The game is finished sadly.

 

[Old Blue 2]

Problem with that is cricket gets it right on review.

VAR has got it wrong pretty much every time this weekend.

Didn't with the Atkinson booking of Saha, who was totally trimmed out by the Arsenal defender. VAR got it right by the award of a penalty and rescinding of the yellow card.

 

[blue to the bone]

Dermot gallacher proving what everyone already knows . He is a bell .
The Brighton penalty was a penalty and the richarlison one was not ...

 

[Ring master]

Dermot gallacher proving what everyone already knows . He is a bell .
The Brighton penalty was a penalty and the richarlison one was not ...

yep,based on it been one once again because the City one at Bournemouth was not give,sue smith and Stephen warnock say its not a pen while ours could have been one etc because you cant do what the Brighton player did,Gallacher saying Richarlison was already on way down lol,not forgetting that hes getting pulled/arms around him bringing him down

 

[blue to the bone]

yep,based on it been one once again because the City one at Bournemouth was not give,sue smith and Stephen warnock say its not a pen while ours could have been one etc because you cant do what the Brighton player did,Gallacher saying Richarlison was already on way down lol,not forgetting that hes getting pulled/arms around him bringing him down

Towing the party line .
As they said if the Keane incident is a peno the game is gone

 

[havrey0123]

 

[riddick]

I have no idea why the media people aren't asking for explanations about why something WAS called or NOT called. The whole "it's too fast to see everythig perfectly" is out the window with this shambles of "technology".

 

[roydo]

Been mulling all this over today, what with the RWC being on, and the cricket WC still fresh(ish) in the memory.

Theory I have evolved is that other than linear decisions, or absolute howlers, football just does not lend itself to VAR as it is currently being deployed. Reason being is that football laws are too liquid. Or fluid. Ignoring the difference in how the 3 systems are actually used, the correct decisions in rugby and cricket are generally correct. Thats because their laws, are clear. A knock on IS a knock on. A snick to slip, IS a snick to slip.

Keanes foul on the Brighton player was MAYBE a foul. No tech system can deal with that diversity of opinion with any degree of credibility, until the match referees start to use the pitch side screens.