VAR

[Methuselah]

There seems to be a lot more criticism of VAR decisions than there ever was about ref's decisions. We should dump VAR asap.

 

[Minimeister]

Can confirm that this is what happened in American football. The silver lining is that they've gotten a lot better at making the decisions rapidly and getting them "right" in the last 30 years.

Instant replay was terrible in the NFL in year one. Of course VAR is terrible right now. It will get better, it will take longer than you think it should to get better, and there will always be controversial decisions. Those will (eventually) get much rarer, though.

The manager across the park did successfully hit on the biggest limitation of replay, which is the rule to uphold the decision on the field in the absence of unambiguous video evidence. He's right in the specific case of footy that this will probably lead to some close fouls going uncalled, which will change the game (and likely not for the better).

I'm not going to promise that you'll be happy with VAR in the long run, but I would argue that it's much too early to judge.

This simply cannot be compared with a sport that takes 3 hours to complete and is full of stoppages.

 

[PITA]

That one at Leicester was awful too.

That was VAR rewarding Leicester for accepting the Mane dive without too many complaints.

 

[N.S.N.O.]

Funny how the media seem to be giving most of their focus to the goal against Liverpool for their VAR rants today....

Ignoring how Origi actually just threw himself to the ground with very little contact... Cheating, which in every other sport would be frowned upon....

The bigger VAR call this weekend was Mina's disallowed goal, which MOTD didn't even include in the match highlights...Again, funny what the media deem important isn't it...

VAR was excellent for ruling out Mane's handball goal, so deserves credit there....but overall it does need some work, still feel its worked in Liverpools favour much more, but we're only gonna hear about the one time it didn't

 

[roydo]

was Mina's disallowed goal

Has any reason been given for that? Like you say, MOTD airbrushed it, and even the extended Sky highlights I saw whch did show it, didnt shine much light on why.

 

[Pudsey]

Most likely because it did not impact the result of the game in any way when viewed from afar after the match in the editing suite, so no story. Sorry, I forgot to put on my tinfoil hat

 

[roydo]

Most likely because it did not impact the result of the game in any way when viewed from afar after the match in the editing suite, so no story. Sorry, I forgot to put on my tinfoil hat

Oh I get why the BBC didnt show it, I was asking what the reason was it was disallowed.

 

[Zezti]

The bigger VAR call this weekend was Mina's disallowed goal, which MOTD didn't even include in the match highlights...Again, funny what the media deem important isn't it...

It wasn't a VAR call. The ref blew for something before the goal was scored which takes away VAR's ability to intervene. It wasn't just bad refereeing to disallow the goal, it was terrible refeering because his actions also went against how VAR should be used to correct decisions.

 

[N.S.N.O.]

Has any reason been given for that? Like you say, MOTD airbrushed it, and even the extended Sky highlights I saw whch did show it, didnt shine much light on why.

The BT commentators struggled to find any reason, only thing was a possible obstruction off the ball by Gomes, but even that wasn't really anything... Mina was even having his jersey pulled...
Once the ref disallowed it, and because of the Gomes 'obstruction' VAR was never gonna award the goal, because they found a reason to back the ref...Ref didn't make a "clear and obvious mistake" because they saw something... That's the wording I hate, because that's where bias can still exist...

Had the ref allowed the goal, VAR would not have overruled it, because the obstruction was minimal and not a clear and obvious mistake by the ref to have not seen it..
They need to change that wording..

 

[N.S.N.O.]

It wasn't a VAR call. The ref blew for something before the goal was scored which takes away VAR's ability to intervene. It wasn't just bad refereeing to disallow the goal, it was terrible refeering because his actions also went against how VAR should be used to correct decisions.

Yep, should have allowed the goal, but asked the VAR officials if they could look at the obstruction... No way he disallows a similar Liverpool goal

 

[mahermi1]

Funny how the media seem to be giving most of their focus to the goal against Liverpool for their VAR rants today....

Ignoring how Origi actually just threw himself to the ground with very little contact... Cheating, which in every other sport would be frowned upon....

The bigger VAR call this weekend was Mina's disallowed goal, which MOTD didn't even include in the match highlights...Again, funny what the media deem important isn't it...

VAR was excellent for ruling out Mane's handball goal, so deserves credit there....but overall it does need some work, still feel its worked in Liverpools favour much more, but we're only gonna hear about the one time it didn't

And the one time it goes against them quite correctly.. there is outcry and debate all over sky sports.
And people wonder just why they get so many decisions...

 

[Lapeno77]

It wasn't a VAR call. The ref blew for something before the goal was scored which takes away VAR's ability to intervene. It wasn't just bad refereeing to disallow the goal, it was terrible refeering because his actions also went against how VAR should be used to correct decisions.

Dermot Gallagher on SSN this morning saying it was for the Gomes block, conveniently ignoring Burnley did the exact same thing for their winner against us.

 

[N.S.N.O.]

And the one time it goes against them quite correctly.. there is outcry and debate all over sky sports.
And people wonder just why they get so many decisions...

Yep... Its very deliberate from Sky... Puts so much pressure on refs to not mess up against Liverpool....
I never buy into Refs being corrupt, its simple media pressure that makes them favour Liverpool...... Guaranteed it will be ages again before any decisions go against them after this...

 

[MikeH72]

Are other leagues having the same problems with VAR?

The problem is not with the technology, it’s with the thick officials. The only thing VAR has done is highlight how bad our referees and linesman are, which is a good thing.

 

[mahermi1]

Yep... Its very deliberate from Sky... Puts so much pressure on refs to not mess up against Liverpool....
I never buy into Refs being corrupt, its simple media pressure that makes them favour Liverpool...... Guaranteed it will be ages again before any decisions go against them after this...

Exactly that is the purpose of Klopps ranting and raving, the only reason this happened is because Liverpool came up against another media darling, Man United.