havrey0123
Player Valuation: £25m
Higher, you mean like investing hundreds of millions in a club and then not being invited to join the board and have no control over the running of the club.
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No like buying a PL club with his mate and pushing for top 4 and a new stadium and having total control
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
There is a lot of following in journalism. One guy puts an exclusive out and other papers follow it. It was similar with the Bloomberg story but the difference was the Bloomberg story had infinitely (and immeasurably) most credence than that Mirror Article. It was a better written article, had much stronger links, in a more reputable paper, with a more in touch journalist and was followed by very firm words from a senior board member at Everton Keith Harris who validated the story by saying they'd look at options for funding.
This is obviously day 1 of the story and maybe within 48 hours sources from Charlton will come out and verify it in the same way but until that happens, especially given all the other metrics out there I'd be very sceptical of giving the story any validity.
On the "we'd all be creaming ourselves if he had said he'd be buying into Everton" I am not really sure that is true at all. The reality is Darren Lewis the same (Liverpool supporting) journalist wrote exactly that a couple of weeks back (in mid august). He said he was "set to invest in Everton" or something much firmer than the "considering" to invest in Charlton. I can't think of a single comment on here, or even on other forums or social media that referenced the article. I know I certainly didn't. All I remember saying was avoid reading too much into what sports journalists for tabloids are saying on this as I don't believe they have any connections to Usmanov and I don't think he would let that be known.
People can't have it both ways. You can't say "oh it's only an unconnected sports journalist" when he's saying he will buy Everton and "this is caste iron proof" "it's a goer" when it says about someone else. You have to have a consistency. I've tried to do that. I read whats said in Bloomberg and the FT as very significant. I'm not dogmatic on such things, if a report of similar credibility emerges I will treat it as such. Until then I defer to the far more credible news outlets we have had.
What it's worth considering at this point is why would Usmanov choose to announce this intention, via Darren Lewis in the Mirror? If he was really looking a Charlton, why would choose that publication and that journalist. This is a publication that has had David Maddocks writing he will never invest in Everton while his colleague Lewis wrote he would invest in Everton. Not only have they got very limited intelligence but why has Lewis changed his story in 3 weeks? Why would Usmanov waste his time with him? Why would he have Lewis leak it, unless something imminently happens?
This is a man who has leaked very little when he moved (think the FF sponsorship, think the day he said he'd help Everton financially) those just came out. For the information around Arsenal and selling shares he used the FT. For further clarification of intention to buy Everton he used the most respected business outlet in the worlds biggest economy. It is unfathomable he'd use Lewis as an exclusive. It was unfathomable when Lewis announced he was imminently buying into Everton 3 weeks ago. Hence why nobody paid it any credence.
For me this looks like a leak at the Charlton end. It looks as if you have owners out of their depth, desperate to sell, with a club who look a terrible immediate prospect for investment. They are a million miles off promotion this season so they are at least 3 years away from getting to the PL. The are losing money hand over fist. They are situated in a poor part of London and have significant competition from Millwall and Crystal Palace as well as then sides like West Ham just north of the river.
The fella making out they could get a stadium over 40k I am not sure if he's ever visited the ground. The only end that could really be extended is the away end, and I can't see them being able to add 15k to the capacity their already. They would likely need a new ground if they were doing it. In that part of London, not very easy to find sites. There are roads land locking 2 ends of the ground and even an end behind the away end which would limit development to 3-4k more.
It would be a huge investment, and long term project for a side who are in the 3rd tier, got 1k in a game recently where we had 32k. My feeling is it's leaked by the board at Charlton as a come and get me attempt and to drum up interest. I imagine Kopites like Lewis are happy to muddy the waters. He will lose any credibility on Usmanov but it's not like he had any to begin with, so not a lot to lose there.
As I've said throughout, expect a lot more random links. Expect more with far greater credibility. Buying and selling at that level is a lot about bluff and counter bluff. It will not go smoothly. You do need to properly investigate each link though.
This is obviously day 1 of the story and maybe within 48 hours sources from Charlton will come out and verify it in the same way but until that happens, especially given all the other metrics out there I'd be very sceptical of giving the story any validity.
On the "we'd all be creaming ourselves if he had said he'd be buying into Everton" I am not really sure that is true at all. The reality is Darren Lewis the same (Liverpool supporting) journalist wrote exactly that a couple of weeks back (in mid august). He said he was "set to invest in Everton" or something much firmer than the "considering" to invest in Charlton. I can't think of a single comment on here, or even on other forums or social media that referenced the article. I know I certainly didn't. All I remember saying was avoid reading too much into what sports journalists for tabloids are saying on this as I don't believe they have any connections to Usmanov and I don't think he would let that be known.
People can't have it both ways. You can't say "oh it's only an unconnected sports journalist" when he's saying he will buy Everton and "this is caste iron proof" "it's a goer" when it says about someone else. You have to have a consistency. I've tried to do that. I read whats said in Bloomberg and the FT as very significant. I'm not dogmatic on such things, if a report of similar credibility emerges I will treat it as such. Until then I defer to the far more credible news outlets we have had.
What it's worth considering at this point is why would Usmanov choose to announce this intention, via Darren Lewis in the Mirror? If he was really looking a Charlton, why would choose that publication and that journalist. This is a publication that has had David Maddocks writing he will never invest in Everton while his colleague Lewis wrote he would invest in Everton. Not only have they got very limited intelligence but why has Lewis changed his story in 3 weeks? Why would Usmanov waste his time with him? Why would he have Lewis leak it, unless something imminently happens?
This is a man who has leaked very little when he moved (think the FF sponsorship, think the day he said he'd help Everton financially) those just came out. For the information around Arsenal and selling shares he used the FT. For further clarification of intention to buy Everton he used the most respected business outlet in the worlds biggest economy. It is unfathomable he'd use Lewis as an exclusive. It was unfathomable when Lewis announced he was imminently buying into Everton 3 weeks ago. Hence why nobody paid it any credence.
For me this looks like a leak at the Charlton end. It looks as if you have owners out of their depth, desperate to sell, with a club who look a terrible immediate prospect for investment. They are a million miles off promotion this season so they are at least 3 years away from getting to the PL. The are losing money hand over fist. They are situated in a poor part of London and have significant competition from Millwall and Crystal Palace as well as then sides like West Ham just north of the river.
The fella making out they could get a stadium over 40k I am not sure if he's ever visited the ground. The only end that could really be extended is the away end, and I can't see them being able to add 15k to the capacity their already. They would likely need a new ground if they were doing it. In that part of London, not very easy to find sites. There are roads land locking 2 ends of the ground and even an end behind the away end which would limit development to 3-4k more.
It would be a huge investment, and long term project for a side who are in the 3rd tier, got 1k in a game recently where we had 32k. My feeling is it's leaked by the board at Charlton as a come and get me attempt and to drum up interest. I imagine Kopites like Lewis are happy to muddy the waters. He will lose any credibility on Usmanov but it's not like he had any to begin with, so not a lot to lose there.
As I've said throughout, expect a lot more random links. Expect more with far greater credibility. Buying and selling at that level is a lot about bluff and counter bluff. It will not go smoothly. You do need to properly investigate each link though.
havrey0123
Player Valuation: £25m
I meant 80m over 2-3 seasons.
I think he wants 100% control of a club after the problems with kronke. Hence he isn't here.
His own project he can do as he wishes.
havrey0123
Player Valuation: £25m
Even if it's his mate, Moshiri has his own plans.
I think usmanov wants his own project.
If he wanted to be here, he would be here.
Usmanov first point of call would of been moshiri, not looking at which other clubs are available
HongKongToffee
Player Valuation: £6m
Chelsea were the same before Abramovich bought them now they are a club with a top 10 biggest fan bases on the planet,same with City pretty much a local fan base and they have gatecrashed that top 10 with new glory hunters.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
I'm not being horrible mate but I think you might be on a wind up. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt and difference of opinion is always worthwhile.
You've put above that Charltons stadium could go to a stadium above 40k. It is landlocked heavily (akin to Goodison) in 2 directions. There is a road behind the 3rd end and even the side stand, there is a road behind but also houses oddly placed that overhang the proposed extension path. It is my suspicion you are not familiar with the ground and you plucked a figure out of thin air to give the rumour credibility. If you had any knowledge of Charlton you would know that the development they did last time (on 3 sides of the ground) was about as far as they could go legally.
As regards Usmanov, again he has never stated his aim was to sit on the board. He has said he would have a representative on a board. There has been no suggestion from anyone at Everton either he, or a representative would be unwelcome at board level. The only comments we've had are from his long term business associate saying "we always do things together" and Keith Harris saying he'd be very welcoming of Usmanov's support and investment. I'm not sure how you've translated that into "he wants to sit at the board and would have no control" at Everton?
As I've said maybe it's ignorance. But you seem to put on a number of threads misinformation and pass it off as something quite concrete. In a lot of cases it doesn't stand up to any scrutiny. Other viewpoints should be welcomed, I have (and have been warned against so have stopped) put a defence of other posters (and former posters) who have had different views on Usmanov, because you could see a logic to what they were saying. However spreading nonsense which causes alarm to fans as fact I think is unhelpful.
I would really advise if you have an opinion on something it would be best to phrase it as such as opposed to putting it out with such certainty.
Steve0
Player Valuation: £35m
Well he won't be 'there' as FSG are asking too much.
He can get 100% control of pretty much any club from the Championship down, there's very little to commend Charlton. It's just not going to happen.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
Thats fair enough mate. However lets not kid ourselves that Darren Lewis (the man who a couple of weeks ago said he'd be buying into Everton) is some sort of master source on this. The report today changes very little.
thebluenosebolt
prefer being behind the times
We are looking at this as everton fans, not as a business. I dont know how it could be proffitable to split there eggs in more than one basket, but surely blue holdings owning two clubs....or at least having an interest in two would be more profitable down the line ?? One feeding the other...i dunno what im talkin bout really.
GwladysBlue
Player Valuation: £70m
Good things don’t happen to us, he is not rocking up here.
Steve0
Player Valuation: £35m
Chelsea were a mid table league 1 side with 15,000 attendances and no trophy for over 70 years?
Or a well established Premier League club with 40,000 attendances and several trophies in the preceding decade.
Even City were well established in the premier league with over twice Charlton's attendance and a brand new stadium.
They're so different it's comical you're implying they're in any way similar.
I can tell you a club who ARE similar to the two you just mentioned though...
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
Charlton will not be promoted this year. So you are looking at at least 2 years until they are in the championship. They might go straight up, but again there are some big hitters in that league. At best you are looking 3 years. Realistically you are looking at 4-5 years. It would also cost a lot more than 80 million. They are losing 10 million a year now. So we are saying they increase their wage bill by 5 million p/a and spend no money on transfer and they are going to get promoted out of a league they are struggling in, blitz the league above and then finish above 10 sides in the PL who are getting over £100 million p/a just for being in the PL?
The ground I've covered. Forget the cost it is not possible on at least half the ground to go back (like us). The other half the stand behind the end has a road full of houses 30-40 yards behind it. The other side there are less houses, but one or 2 that their back garden is almost connected to the side end. I suspect in that area of London you'd be looking at a market value of a house close to 500k. They would likely have to pay more to move them on. There is also a row of houses maybe 50 yard behind.
The only option they would realistically have to build, would be to do what Liverpool have been doing for 25 years now and start buying properties. What Liverpool paid in Walton 25 years ago, and what it costs in London now are incomparable. On top you have to tip the council off, pay for roads etc. To get anything close to 40k you are probably looking at the houses being worth at least 20 million pounds.
Wolves it made sense, so Mendes could loan lads who weren't good enough to a club. I'm not sure what Charlton offer and I'm not sure Usmanov looks at that. And the credibility for this is a fella who said he might do it, when a couple of weeks ago he said he would be buying Everton.
You cannot dismiss the possibility he will end up at Everton "because good things don't happen to us" - hardly a logical argument.
He may, or he may not come - the only truth we know is that he has said if Moshiri needs his help, he'll get it. Everything else is pure speculation. Davek, Esk, Lewis, Me, you the reader or any other fecker knows nothing more than the statements made by the man himself. You can pretend to know, you can argue passionately about how crap we are and why he would not want to come here or vice versa, but you cannot know.
Or you can be an utter miserable b******d and peddle gloom for the rest of your life, because it gives you the attention you seek, whilst pretending to be an ITK, who simply makes it up as he goes along.
If it happens, it happens, if not, we already have a nice arrangement that the moaners can't now deny have put funds into the club.
He may, or he may not come - the only truth we know is that he has said if Moshiri needs his help, he'll get it. Everything else is pure speculation. Davek, Esk, Lewis, Me, you the reader or any other fecker knows nothing more than the statements made by the man himself. You can pretend to know, you can argue passionately about how crap we are and why he would not want to come here or vice versa, but you cannot know.
Or you can be an utter miserable b******d and peddle gloom for the rest of your life, because it gives you the attention you seek, whilst pretending to be an ITK, who simply makes it up as he goes along.
If it happens, it happens, if not, we already have a nice arrangement that the moaners can't now deny have put funds into the club.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
Thats it's Chelsea I'm sure he bought for a pound as well not 20 million.They also had a ground in the wealthiest area of one of the wealthiest cities in the world. As you say had won a lot in the proceeding years and had an infrastructure on the field that was ready to be kicked on.
Manchester City were the 2nd team in a big football city but had more of a foothold in the city than arguably their illustrious neighbours. They also had a base of a stadium without complications that could be easily converted to be a football stadium (unlike the Olympic stadium which would need to be rebuilt at huge cost).
Charlton have a pretty ordinary stadium, and are landlocked. They are languishing in the 3rd tier. The league above is probably one of the most competitive leagues in Europe to get out of.
Spot the difference.
Then ask yourself, is there a PL club, pursuing a new ground, with a history of winning trophies (say has won several leagues through it's history) who is not a renowned global brand (so has huge room for growth) but is also very well rooted in a football city with only 1 other competitor. A team that has been in the PL for a long time (maybe even all the time) and has generally been in the top 8 but needed further investment to kick on. I wonder if an investor put those criteria in (which are clearly some of the criteria used for City/Chelsea). I wonder who might come up quite highly on the list? I'll give you a clue, it's not Charlton.
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