Transfer Rumour Tyler Dibling

blueblue said:
The trouble with Moshiri was that it wasn't his money either.
Everton were also casualties of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, clearly the Everton loss is insignificant to the horrors suffered by the Ukranian people.

Without Moshiri/Usmanov we almost certainly would not have the new ground or the newest owners although only time will tell how well that works(the new owners).

I think that too many on here talk about a slow rebuild of the squad but then expect everything to be done in just one transfer window.
I think the aim this year is to be a top half team. Hopefully a couple of decent cup runs and everything after that is an extra bonus.

Not being mentioned at any stage as a relegation threatened club alone would be progress.
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Been discussed to death, but yeah Russia's invasion pulled the rug. The stadium would be called USM Arena now (£200m+ naming rights), and Usmanov would now be official owner on the back of a massive wave of investment/would have found money from all over the shop to recover a lot of PSR issues.

Curtis said:
I'm just speaking for myself and I was optimistic initially just very guarded as something felt off with kenwright's continued involvement, where my wariness was confirmed was when we brought in a head scout to be the director of football but you correct the majority of fans initially perceived Moshiri's arrival as a change in fortune for the better
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Wasn't just initially - it lasted years/majority of his time too mate, we run an annual fan survey which quantifies it. Considering our last set of custodians ran us into the ground, and in self preservation mode, despictably worked to proactively worked to throw fans under the bus. I'd suggest for most of their time, they got an easy ride and had the backing of most fans. Not long later, whether new owners or not, I think it's prudent to not be so passive to the extent that we're discouraging any questioning.

Anyway, mindful this is a thread about Dibling - it was a small point regarding fans shouldn't, IMO, be discouraged from expressing opinion/concern on the basis of the credentials of who is running the club. Especially considering what the last lot did.

So if a fan reckons it's risky PSR wise to lash a record fee on a 19 year old with one mixed season under his belt, I say that's a fair point. No matter what the club actually end up doing.
 

scd-94 said:
This is not to say you're wrong, but McNeil's numbers were terrible the season before we signed him. To the point where many didn't want us to spend (just) £15m on him. Soon as he made the (at the time) small jump to us from Burnley though, his numbers and increased and - without checking - seem to have got better every year.

And his ceiling was always midtable Premier League player.
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He was off the back of a bad season when we signed him, he actually played far better the season before that.

I’m not comparing them at respective ages etc.

My whole point is impact now - who are they, now.

Mcneil probably would have out produced Dibling last year in that crap saints team is my point.

Does he then elevate us massively day one? Maybe not. But I prefer a signing like Dibling over another also-ran. I just personally think we need a Kubo/Fofana type who’ll have more immediate impact before we get the talented kids a la Chelsea.
 
The binman chronicles said:
We had Ancelotti and this team:

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If we were allowed to use this as a base and then add to it over the next 3 windows, just like Chelsea and City built up previously, then we could have had something really decent.

If it was easy Newcastle would have won the league by now.
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The problem despite having some solid players, the approach was incredibly short term , Allen due to his age lost his effectiveness by the end of the season, Gomes was on the decline, James while exquisite on the pitch constantly struggled with fitness, the financial burden created from the recruitment for that burdened us for seasons afterwards. So I don't it would of been that easy
 
SuperKev91 said:
He was off the back of a bad season when we signed him, he actually played far better the season before that.

I’m not comparing them at respective ages etc.

My whole point is impact now - who are they, now.

Mcneil probably would have out produced Dibling last year in that crap saints team is my point.

Does he then elevate us massively day one? Maybe not. But I prefer a signing like Dibling over another also-ran. I just personally think we need a Kubo/Fofana type who’ll have more immediate impact before we get the talented kids a la Chelsea.
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Balancing act though isn't it?

We have to balance the immediate, and the future.

The last few years we've had to massively prioritise the immediate just to stay up. We couldn't take any risks - margins were too small. I think we can take those risks now, mitigated against proven standard in the likes of Grealish.

Kubo/Fofana aren't interested. If they were, particularly Fofana, I think he'd have signed by now and we'd never have been linked with Dibling. Maybe we're dragging our feet thinking Fofana could come if Chelsea/Liverpool et al don't wade in.
 

SteStocksDJ said:
Is this on or off again?
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It's gotta feel like there's a deal to be done, hasn't it

That link to the leicester winger was a tactic, we aren't interested in him

Southampton will probably want to cash in, surely we meet at 40-45 total fee eventually

Wouldn't be surprised if another side came in if we don't put up the cash
 
GrandOldTeam said:
Balancing act though isn't it?

We have to balance the immediate, and the future.

The last few years we've had to massively prioritise the immediate just to stay up. We couldn't take any risks - margins were too small. I think we can take those risks now, mitigated against proven standard in the likes of Grealish.

Kubo/Fofana aren't interested. If they were, particularly Fofana, I think he'd have signed by now and we'd never have been linked with Dibling. Maybe we're dragging our feet thinking Fofana could come if Chelsea/Liverpool et al don't wade in.
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No I’m all for signings like Dibling but we could do with a proven starter like Grealish out there in case it all goes Tom Davies for Tyler.

He’s just a big risk as our starter at that kind of fee with where we’ve been in the last few years. Obviously very talented and bags of potential.

Think I’d feel better if he had a proper right back behind him even.
 
Curtis said:
The problem despite having some solid players, the approach was incredibly short term , Allen due to his age lost his effectiveness by the end of the season, Gomes was on the decline, James while exquisite on the pitch constantly struggled with fitness, the financial burden created from the recruitment for that burdened us for seasons afterwards. So I don't it would of been that easy
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That's a bit harsh I feel. Gomes was okay until Son took him out. This team was 2nd and Christmas and still top 4 around March??

Sure players go up and down and have fitness issues. It's also easy to look at that team now and say, Keane, Doucoure, Gomes, DCL and Coleman are trouble points. Over two summer windows though we could have added 4 new first team players and elevated that whole side. The subs would have then been better too.

We just couldn't due to PSR, to start with you have to go to the max to entice players to come and it's fine if you get it right first time and you in the CL every year to earn the extra to kick on again. We gambled and didn't get there, then we lost all funding at the time we were building a new stadium. If that hadn't happened perhaps we would have cooked the books further with USM sponsorship. Moshiri gets a bad rap but there is usually no chance that the worst case scenario actually presents itself.
 

GrandOldTeam said:
Blind ignorance works both positive and negative.

I say we hold any custodian of this club to account - as best as we can - from the off.

But my point really was we'd have nothing to discuss if opinions didn't have any weight considering ignorance to circumstance. It's akin to saying "who do you think you are saying one player should play over another? Moyes is MUCH more qualified..."

I get your point about finding negativity a bit annoying though, we've had enough pessimism over the years.



Let's not rewrite history here.

I was in a very small minority expressing concern early days regarding Moshiri retaining the old guard.

By a clear majority, fans advocated/backed Moshiri for most of his time at Everton. Myself, generally, included.

"It's not your money, why are you arsed"
"He's an accountant ffs he knows what he's doing"

etc, etc.
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No problem at all with holding the club to account. The same people bashing the club for not doing what THEY think should be done, on every page of every transfer thread, ad nauseam, at every development is not doing so, IMHO.
 

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