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Wizard said:
Wasn't sure where to put this and probably not worth its own thread but Adnan Syed has been released today. Think quite a few on here either watched the TV show or more likely listened to the Serial podcast

apnews.com

‘Serial’ case: Adnan Syed released, conviction tossed

A Baltimore judge has ordered the release of Adnan Syed after overturning Syed’s conviction for a 1999 murder that was chronicled in the hit podcast “Serial.”
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I read up on it.

There's been what's called a Brady Violation meaning they didn't provide the defence with full disclosure which would have provided means, motive, and opportunity for two other suspects the defence could have pointed to at trial.

Nothing they've said has made him factually innocent, just that he appears to have not been given a fair trial.

For the record I think he did it still.
 
So, Andor, its VERY slow (the first two episodes) but does everyone want to jump right into the action without explaining anything? No. right!

The third episode it kicks in, in a BIG way. Superb acting throughout also. It really is nothing like Star Wars (if Casian and his droid weren't in it you wouldn't know)- that will come late when we get to the Rebellion being formed (Mon Mothma).

Not a Jedi, Mandalorian, Lightsaber, Skywalker in sight. Hallelujah!
 
Efcjake said:
I read up on it.

There's been what's called a Brady Violation meaning they didn't provide the defence with full disclosure which would have provided means, motive, and opportunity for two other suspects the defence could have pointed to at trial.

Nothing they've said has made him factually innocent, just that he appears to have not been given a fair trial.

For the record I think he did it still.
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I don’t think he did. I was sort of on the fence at points but there wasn’t any reliable evidence he did it. And the fact he turned down a plea bargain that would have seen him out by now says a lot. There was no DNA evidence linking him to it, he has an alibi, the timelines don’t match up, and the star witness changed his story so many times. Mainly due to police coaching. And then you have the new evidence of two suspects that were never properly looked into.

This happens so often when the police think they have a target they can focus on and basically make the crime fit even when it doesn’t. If you haven’t already, watch West of Memphis or even better the HBO documentaries on the same case. They are harder to get hold of but the case will blow your mind. And make you furious
 
Wizard said:
I don’t think he did. I was sort of on the fence at points but there wasn’t any reliable evidence he did it. And the fact he turned down a plea bargain that would have seen him out by now says a lot. There was no DNA evidence linking him to it, he has an alibi, the timelines don’t match up, and the star witness changed his story so many times. Mainly due to police coaching. And then you have the new evidence of two suspects that were never properly looked into.

This happens so often when the police think they have a target they can focus on and basically make the crime fit even when it doesn’t. If you haven’t already, watch West of Memphis or even better the HBO documentaries on the same case. They are harder to get hold of but the case will blow your mind. And make you furious
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The West Memphis series is a really good watch with the Metallica soundtrack
 
Wizard said:
I don’t think he did. I was sort of on the fence at points but there wasn’t any reliable evidence he did it. And the fact he turned down a plea bargain that would have seen him out by now says a lot. There was no DNA evidence linking him to it, he has an alibi, the timelines don’t match up, and the star witness changed his story so many times. Mainly due to police coaching. And then you have the new evidence of two suspects that were never properly looked into.

This happens so often when the police think they have a target they can focus on and basically make the crime fit even when it doesn’t. If you haven’t already, watch West of Memphis or even better the HBO documentaries on the same case. They are harder to get hold of but the case will blow your mind. And make you furious
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Replied in the quote below so I don't clog the thread

It's all circumstantial but a large portion of murder cases are based on circumstantial rather than physical or DNA evidence. She also died by strangulation so it wasn't like a scene from Dexter with blood and DNA everywhere.



He gave his recently bought cell phone and his car to a friend who testified he helped bury the body. Multiple people overheard him ask the victim for a ride after school because his car was broken despite the fact he had his own car which he had given to the star witness.



He called her every day but never once after she went missing. The star witness knew where the victims car was. How? If you think police fed him that info that means they sat on it and potentially let the vehicle be disturbed and evidence tainted by anyone who came across it. Another witness recalls the details the star witness told police and has no reason to tell police that.



The "alibi" covers about 10-20 minutes after school finished. She did not come forward until the trial was underway and Adnan never brought her up as an alibi to police or his lawyers. When she did come forward his lawyers refused to take her seriously since even if what she said were true it was not a long enough period of time to exculpate him. Adnan himself states he cannot remember anything that happened that day but recalls multiple details of things that happened before and after that day. She has also profited from selling a book about the case.



One of the other potential suspects was the flasher who discovered the body, he was well known to the defence. He failed a polygraph, which is shaky evidence to begin with, and that's the main strike against him. The other potential suspect hasn't been identified but unless it's somehow proven there is a connection between them and the star witness there is no explanation for the star witness to know where the car was unless you believe the police sat on valuable evidence to frame a teenager.



There is so much evidence pointing to the fact that he did it. Nothing in the motion to release him proves him innocent, but the Brady violations mean he didn't get a fair trial.
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