Remind me, are they the People's Front of Judea or the Judean People's Front?
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supertoffee98
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The state of play as things stand is 4 Green MPs, 5 pro-Gaza MPs (including Corbyn in this category), 7 suspended Labour MPs. Transform may become the political vehicle for some of these, it may also be called Collective as that was an off-shoot of the Peace & Justice Project and had backed a lot of independent socialist candidates.
There will be a few headaches I expect if the likes of Corbyn and the independents do head in the direction of a formal party. One being how do you form a working relationship with the Greens? The Greens have some really good Socialist MPs. The other problem is the parties of the left without MPs but large activist bases - TUSC, the Revolutionary Communist Party, the Communist Party of GB, the Socialist Party. There are fundamental disagreements between these groups and rivalries going back decades. Can any of them swallow their pride and become part of a bigger left party?
All that said, I think forming a new party based on the Socialist Independents in parliament and their common principles is what we need. As far as I know they're all on-board with the five key demands of the Peace & Justice Project. 1) Payrise for the Many, 2) Green New Deal & Public Ownership, 3) Housing for All, 4) Tax the Rich to Save the NHS, 5) Welcome Refugees & a World Free From War.
The two-party system is just a vehicle for capitalist governments of different shades. Labour isn't even social-democratic anymore, it's actively pushing people into poverty.
There will be a few headaches I expect if the likes of Corbyn and the independents do head in the direction of a formal party. One being how do you form a working relationship with the Greens? The Greens have some really good Socialist MPs. The other problem is the parties of the left without MPs but large activist bases - TUSC, the Revolutionary Communist Party, the Communist Party of GB, the Socialist Party. There are fundamental disagreements between these groups and rivalries going back decades. Can any of them swallow their pride and become part of a bigger left party?
All that said, I think forming a new party based on the Socialist Independents in parliament and their common principles is what we need. As far as I know they're all on-board with the five key demands of the Peace & Justice Project. 1) Payrise for the Many, 2) Green New Deal & Public Ownership, 3) Housing for All, 4) Tax the Rich to Save the NHS, 5) Welcome Refugees & a World Free From War.
The two-party system is just a vehicle for capitalist governments of different shades. Labour isn't even social-democratic anymore, it's actively pushing people into poverty.
The Independent Alliance are on the march!
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...remy-corbyn-alliance-independent-pro-gaza-mps
Promising to fight austerity and campaign on issues including the winter fuel allowance, the two-child benefit limit and arms sales to Israel, the group also explicitly invited MPs to join them, a reference to seven rebel Labour MPs suspended by the party for voting to axe the two-child benefit cap.
Corbyn, a former Labour leader, was elected as an independent MP for Islington North after being barred from standing as a Labour candidate at the last election. The group will also include the MPs Shockat Adam, Ayoub Khan, Adnan Hussain and Iqbal Mohamed.
The MPs said: “We were elected by our constituents to provide hope in a parliament of despair. Already, this government has scrapped the winter fuel allowance for around 10 million pensioners, voted to keep the two-child benefits cap, and ignored calls to end arms sales to Israel.
“Millions of people are crying out for a real alternative to austerity, inequality and war – and their voices deserve to be heard. As individuals we were voted by our constituents to represent their concerns in parliament on these matters, and more, and we believe that as a collective group we can carry on doing this with greater effect.
“The more MPs who are prepared to stand up for these principles, the better. Our door is always open to other MPs who believe in a more equal and peaceful world.”
More in the article...
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...remy-corbyn-alliance-independent-pro-gaza-mps
Jeremy Corbyn to form alliance with four independent pro-Gaza MPs
Jeremy Corbyn is to form an official parliamentary alliance with four independent MPs who were elected on pro-Gaza platforms – issuing a call for more MPs to join. The group will have the same number of MPs as Reform UK and the Democratic Unionist party, who each have five MPs, and more than the Green party and Plaid Cymru on four.Promising to fight austerity and campaign on issues including the winter fuel allowance, the two-child benefit limit and arms sales to Israel, the group also explicitly invited MPs to join them, a reference to seven rebel Labour MPs suspended by the party for voting to axe the two-child benefit cap.
Corbyn, a former Labour leader, was elected as an independent MP for Islington North after being barred from standing as a Labour candidate at the last election. The group will also include the MPs Shockat Adam, Ayoub Khan, Adnan Hussain and Iqbal Mohamed.
The MPs said: “We were elected by our constituents to provide hope in a parliament of despair. Already, this government has scrapped the winter fuel allowance for around 10 million pensioners, voted to keep the two-child benefits cap, and ignored calls to end arms sales to Israel.
“Millions of people are crying out for a real alternative to austerity, inequality and war – and their voices deserve to be heard. As individuals we were voted by our constituents to represent their concerns in parliament on these matters, and more, and we believe that as a collective group we can carry on doing this with greater effect.
“The more MPs who are prepared to stand up for these principles, the better. Our door is always open to other MPs who believe in a more equal and peaceful world.”
More in the article...
davek
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Hopefully the inevitable expulsion of many 'Labour' Party MPs in the coming years will see them join the new alliance and they can then coalesce into something firmer: a new party.
They can then fight the Red Tories at by-elections. Maybe union cash can fund this.
The vacuum on the left vacated by Labour will be filled. The question is how long it will take to happen not if it will happen.
They can then fight the Red Tories at by-elections. Maybe union cash can fund this.
The vacuum on the left vacated by Labour will be filled. The question is how long it will take to happen not if it will happen.
njligernj
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Does anyone in this collective understand that those *ideas* poll really well; while "socialism" and "communism" are cursed words that will never go mainstream?
You don't need to convince me about the two party system, I've been banging on about that on the internet for literally thirty years now. Just very skeptical you can win with "communism" and "socialism" as a brand (not skeptical you can win with socialist *ideas*).
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