Today’s Football 2019/20 Season

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Lol now this Fleetwood keeper saves a penalty and gets a piece of the rebound too. Making Pickford look like a rock of stability here.
 
Got to feel sorry for spurs for that VAR decision
I just saw it and it's incredible. Moura was fouled for heavens sake! What happened to the advantage rule? The fact that he may have handled it in toppling over is immaterial.

This VAR is going to ruin football if it hasn't already. Lampard is right. The whole thing needs looked at and preferably abandoned - fat chance eh?
 
I just saw it and it's incredible. Moura was fouled for heavens sake! What happened to the advantage rule? The fact that he may have handled it in toppling over is immaterial.

This VAR is going to ruin football if it hasn't already. Lampard is right. The whole thing needs looked at and preferably abandoned - fat chance eh?

There is no issue with the VAR technology itself, ghost goals aside, but there does have to be an additional modicum of common sense used in interpreting it, although this is perhaps very dangerous in that given any room for discretion you can guarantee that some of our referees will seek out the very worst possible option.

My real gripe is by committing an act of clear foul play the defensive team is seen to benefit not at the margins, but absolutely massively. A forward who is on the attack in a dangerous position and subsequently tripped or fouled shouldn't himself be heavily penalised for any accidental handball by himself resulting directly from the incident. itself.

In the case of Moura, VAR did it's job in that it identified the ball had struck his hand as he fell after being tripped when a Sheffield United defender kicked it against it. To then penalise Spurs for that after the referee who has seen the foul waves play on, isn't just senseless it's the height of stupidity and brings the interpretation of the rules surrounding VAR into disrepute. Then to cap it all the referee who had an absolute nightmare, then turns round and gives Sheffield a free kick because Moura who was fouled had the ball kicked against the hand used to break his fall. He had waved advantage for that very same incident minutes before, surely he can remember it - is it really as understandable as Dermot (Gallagher) claimed or is it the 999th time this week he's bended over backwards to defend his mates?

Even Dermot Gallagher couldn't defend the horror of a decision in allowing Sheffield to keep eleven men on the pitch, the player (Norwood) looked at the Spurs man while the ball was in the air, took careful aim with his elbow before clattering the striker in the face as the ball came down. The referee who had just booked him just bottled it.

This for me is without doubt the worst VAR decision of the season, and make no mistake it was a VAR decision. The decision just doesn't entail the technology which correctly showed that the ball was struck by the defender against Moura's supporting arm following his trip, but how that information is both interpreted and used. It was in this second process where the current useage falls down so badly and causes embarrassment to both officials and fury to both players and supporters of the unfortunate team.

I know Sheff Utd suffered the disallowed so called 'ghost' goal caused more than anything else by a technical deficiency where there was a blind spot with all cameras view obscured and no bleep on the ref's watch, that was a technical deficiency and can be solved with extra cameras or differently positioned ones. The embarrassment last night had very human causes and could have been forseen and prevented when planning what VAR checks should happen following each goal and how they should be interpreted and acted upon. It should never ever be repeated. Mahrez's 'goal' just underlined how urgently it needs modifying.

The VAR technology wasn't wrong, it's the way it's being applied that needs modifying as it really is becoming a joke.
 
There is no issue with the VAR technology itself, ghost goals aside, but there does have to be an additional modicum of common sense used in interpreting it, although this is perhaps very dangerous in that given any room for discretion you can guarantee that some of our referees will seek out the very worst possible option.

My real gripe is by committing an act of clear foul play the defensive team is seen to benefit not at the margins, but absolutely massively. A forward who is on the attack in a dangerous position and subsequently tripped or fouled shouldn't himself be heavily penalised for any accidental handball by himself resulting directly from the incident. itself.

In the case of Moura, VAR did it's job in that it identified the ball had struck his hand as he fell after being tripped when a Sheffield United defender kicked it against it. To then penalise Spurs for that after the referee who has seen the foul waves play on, isn't just senseless it's the height of stupidity and brings the interpretation of the rules surrounding VAR into disrepute. Then to cap it all the referee who had an absolute nightmare, then turns round and gives Sheffield a free kick because Moura who was fouled had the ball kicked against the hand used to break his fall. He had waved advantage for that very same incident minutes before, surely he can remember it - is it really as understandable as Dermot (Gallagher) claimed or is it the 999th time this week he's bended over backwards to defend his mates?

Even Dermot Gallagher couldn't defend the horror of a decision in allowing Sheffield to keep eleven men on the pitch, the player (Norwood) looked at the Spurs man while the ball was in the air, took careful aim with his elbow before clattering the striker in the face as the ball came down. The referee who had just booked him just bottled it.

This for me is without doubt the worst VAR decision of the season, and make no mistake it was a VAR decision. The decision just doesn't entail the technology which correctly showed that the ball was struck by the defender against Moura's supporting arm following his trip, but how that information is both interpreted and used. It was in this second process where the current useage falls down so badly and causes embarrassment to both officials and fury to both players and supporters of the unfortunate team.

I know Sheff Utd suffered the disallowed so called 'ghost' goal caused more than anything else by a technical deficiency where there was a blind spot with all cameras view obscured and no bleep on the ref's watch, that was a technical deficiency and can be solved with extra cameras or differently positioned ones. The embarrassment last night had very human causes and could have been forseen and prevented when planning what VAR checks should happen following each goal and how they should be interpreted and acted upon. It should never ever be repeated. Mahrez's 'goal' just underlined how urgently it needs modifying.

The VAR technology wasn't wrong, it's the way it's being applied that needs modifying as it really is becoming a joke.

I agree with a lot of that, but the issue is if you have incompetent (at best, corrupt at worse) officials, just giving those officials more technology doesn't fundamentally resolve the issue. We need better officials. All VAR does is highlight their inadaquacy more clearly.
 
VAR is very irritating but going back to Kane's disallowed goal; while chalking it off for handball isn't fair, it did redirect the ball to Kane.

Antonio's disallowed goal v Chelsea looked harsh and was similar to our goal v Man Utd when Siggy was sitting in the goalmouth. The difference is that
a West Ham player was right in front of Kepa, who could have tried to get to the ball if he hadn't been there.

In Siggy's case, he was about four yards away from De Gea who had a clear view of the ball and had no chance of getting to it.
 
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