Time to get a bit nastier?

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I just hate the way we don't put pressure on refs like the RS and others do. We accept poor decisions going against us.

.....I'm not sure I want us to go down that route. Being successful and having top quality players is often enough to get decisions. A couple of seasons ago I watched as Mascherano and Gerrard influenced the ref as they were clearly scared of Cahill threat, I don't really want us to be like that.
 

I'd hate to see us mobbing the refs like other teams do. Our players do have a go though, see Baines against Arsenal at home when he was laying into Arteta right over the ref. Osman is always in the face of the ref as well when he plays.

I just feel like we don't have someone who is a proper presence on the pitch for snide or just being a bit mad.

This. This all day. What we're missing is a player with influence. Someone who can sway a ref (not that that should be possible, but it is).

As for Osman getting up front to the refs, it isn't hard to say no Osman. :(
 
We have needed it for a while now, a couple of players you just know are going to go in hard if anybody is dishing it about, I would like to see a forward in the same mould at the club , well any forward really at the moment
 
We do need to work on our snideness, example that sticks in my mind was Spurs away last year, we gave away a free kick and instead of someone standing in front of the ball (pretending to tie their lace or whatever) we just turned our backs and paid for it, that's the kind of sneaky tactics I want to see us getting better at.
We don't need to be meff's about it, just casual tricks that work in our favour.
 

Agreed
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.....I'm not sure I want us to go down that route. Being successful and having top quality players is often enough to get decisions. A couple of seasons ago I watched as Mascherano and Gerrard influenced the ref as they were clearly scared of Cahill threat, I don't really want us to be like that.

we've never been like that in our history. dogs of war etc. was tough but fair, typical everton good old fashion england snarl.

liverpool will never be that, they'll cheat their way to every victory they can, scum of the earth, always our afterbirth
 

I'd hate to see us mobbing the refs like other teams do. Our players do have a go though, see Baines against Arsenal at home when he was laying into Arteta right over the ref. Osman is always in the face of the ref as well when he plays.

I just feel like we don't have someone who is a proper presence on the pitch for snide or just being a bit mad.

With what, a stepladder?
 
I'm happy just being the better team, turning into Stoke won't get us more points, just less players and more injuries. I like the fact that Fellaini aside, we're generally regarded as one of the better behaved teams, that being said, when was the last time we won the fair play award. We are dirty plenty.
Fortunately we don't dive much because that drives me mental. I noticed a lot more of it last season which was the one real negative of the season for me, but compared to those around us its pretty negligible.

Personally I'd rather we stayed fair and honest than became snidey and dirty.
I have no respect for players that stamp on others, kick lumps out of others, swarm the ref etc, just says to me that they are not good enough to win without cheating.

That being said I think refs should book anyone trying to wrongly influence their decision, in the face? one warning then book them, still there send em off, they'd soon stop. Diving book them, dive twice your off, dive then get in the refs face.. see ya.
Its the only way to stop it happening.
 
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Btw, I love the way Besic aggessively and condescendingly ruffles people's hair after he's fouled them. Watch that turn into a fight in a derby game.
Would have loved to see him do that to an irritated Suarez.. he would have gotten his hand bitten off.

Seriously though, I don't mind players that can do the dirty work. And by that I mean players that doesn't shy away from taking a hit to win the ball and playing on the edge of what's allowed. But I HATE players that tries to influence the ref by waving their hand like they hold a card or dives in the penaltybox like they are stagediving on a rockconcert. All that kind of behaviour should be bookable.

If a disciplinary group could give divers bans after looking at a rerun, I think many players would stop diving pretty quickly.
 

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