Tim Howard

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He was only mentioning the stats because the other poster had used the stats to criticize Howard! I see it all the time on here.

"Howard is crap, look at these stats." "Actually, the stats show something else." "The stats don't matter, he's crap!"

The stats show he is crap though. And I don't want to compare to other keepers, if they're equally as crap that's no concern of ours, I want a goalkeeper that can save what's coming at him, not what others might or might not be able to save.

By the way, the stats show he was the worst keeper in England last year, there are zero stats showing something else.
 

You can not seriously believe the 2nd goal was Howard's fault. Yaya's pass and Nasri's run were poorly defended, and it takes an immense amount of skill to chip the keeper from there and still keep the ball down low enough. Howard's hands were exactly where they should be to close down Nasri's angles, he'd already made another very similar stop against Navas earlier.

This has to be a similar effect to the criticism that Naismith / Osman get. I can post gifs of them making good plays that are mysteriously forgotten, stats to show that the criticism is unfounded, but people latch on to those and whitewash over every error that Barkley/Stones make in their memories.

I know Howard isn't a great keeper, personally I can think of at least 3 other Americans who should start ahead of him for the national team, and if you think this is all based on my nationality, feel free to dig up my posts about Landon Donovan on here. I just think people should be sensible with their criticism of him, and not claim that literally every goal we concede is his fault.

Over the last year or two on GOT, things have gotten so hyperbolic. Everyone is either gash or flawless, no one is willing to look at players in nuanced, balanced terms.

Honestly, I'm more upset that his head was turned away and his eyes were closed. He may have conceded either way, but you have to keep your eyes on the ball to have any chance at reacting to the shot. He did not. It's unbecoming.

Is he the worst goalkeeper in the league? No idea, I watch Everton. He is not good enough for us, and he's our number one choice. There is no position in which our number one choice is so poor and has no room to develop.

We need a #10/playmaker. We need squad fillers. But we also need a first choice keeper. And we need it badly. It would be one thing if these sorts of things were rare, or if he regularly turned up for his good form, but he doesn't. He plays well 1 game out of 10. He plays poorly far more often than that. I watch in hope that he has a mediocre game. It's not a good thing.

This is no hyperbole - he's not good enough for the role he fills. Osman? Bench player and cover - not good enough for the starting XI regularly, but irritates me less because he plays less. Naismith? Severely limited footballer that does have value when deployed properly against the correct opposition...all too often deployed improperly against the wrong opposition in lieu of better options, that's the manager's fault.

Can you honestly tell me one first choice member of our team that is so consistently bad AND isn't young and filled with potential?
 
So far this season:

Shots on target: 18
Goals conceded: 4

22% of all shots on target have been goals, can't be bothered working out the league avarage, but if someone has a day to spare it would be good to compare.

A lot of shots on target seem to end up as goals agains us, might be just thinking it though, I have to admit I'm not his biggest fan.

Going into today it's a better rate then Cech, courtois, lloris, or Begovic. He's made one real error all season and he's made some very good saves even yesterday. His positioning has been better. It's all getting a bit tired. We were never not going to concede yesterday and he got little to no help from his defending on either goal. There's no such thing as a perfect keeper.

Do we need better? Yeah we do, but look around the league and you'll find errors almost every game from those deemed the top keepers in the league.

That's a whole lot of excuses and poor comparisons for me I'm sorry to say. I'm not worried what other goalkeeper's percentages are, I'm worried about what OUR goalkeeper is doing.

We'll just agree to disagree there I think.

The stats show he is crap though. And I don't want to compare to other keepers, if they're equally as crap that's no concern of ours, I want a goalkeeper that can save what's coming at him, not what others might or might not be able to save.

By the way, the stats show he was the worst keeper in England last year, there are zero stats showing something else.

Copied the convo so you could follow. Eurosrees points to Howard's percentage, saying its' poor. CarolinaBlue points out it's better than Cech, Courtois, Lloris, and Begovic. You say you don't care about his percentage compared to anyone else.

Then, within minutes it's like you've forgotten this whole discussion, or did mean to refer to Cech, Courtois, Lloris, and Begovic when you say "And I don't want to compare to other keepers, if they're equally as crap that's no concern of ours."
 
Copied the convo so you could follow. Eurosrees points to Howard's percentage, saying its' poor. CarolinaBlue points out it's better than Cech, Courtois, Lloris, and Begovic. You say you don't care about his percentage compared to anyone else.

Then, within minutes it's like you've forgotten this whole discussion, or did mean to refer to Cech, Courtois, Lloris, and Begovic when you say "And I don't want to compare to other keepers, if they're equally as crap that's no concern of ours."

Yeah I was talking about people comparing Howard to other keepers, sorry if it didn't come across clear.
 



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