Tim Howard

[PeterPrinciple]

He stopped four point blank shots Sunday, which means it should have been a grand day for Tim, but then he went and jumped out of the way at least once, if not twice. Makes it hard for anyone to defend him much.
There is still time to try and bring in someone who could at least threaten Tim's standing as the #1 before 2 September

 

[RaleighBlue]

We won't be bringing anyone in, so it's all academic really, but it's a shame, and it is likely to cost us.

Hopefully he can revert to his form from two years ago when he wasn't making dire mistakes all the time and we could get on with it.

I'm just desperate that we get someone in next summer at this point.

 

[Papa Shango]

t be the answer, but Howard definitely isn't. Even accepting that City were the

He was only mentioning the stats because the other poster had used the stats to criticize Howard! I see it all the time on here.

"Howard is crap, look at these stats." "Actually, the stats show something else." "The stats don't matter, he's crap!"



You can not seriously believe the 2nd goal was Howard's fault. Yaya's pass and Nasri's run were poorly defended, and it takes an immense amount of skill to chip the keeper from there and still keep the ball down low enough. Howard's hands were exactly where they should be to close down Nasri's angles, he'd already made another very similar stop against Navas earlier.

This has to be a similar effect to the criticism that Naismith / Osman get. I can post gifs of them making good plays that are mysteriously forgotten, stats to show that the criticism is unfounded, but people latch on to those and whitewash over every error that Barkley/Stones make in their memories.

I know Howard isn't a great keeper, personally I can think of at least 3 other Americans who should start ahead of him for the national team, and if you think this is all based on my nationality, feel free to dig up my posts about Landon Donovan on here. I just think people should be sensible with their criticism of him, and not claim that literally every goal we concede is his fault.

Over the last year or two on GOT, things have gotten so hyperbolic. Everyone is either gash or flawless, no one is willing to look at players in nuanced, balanced terms.

The second was worse than the first for me. You make yourself big, he didnt do that and just ran towards the ball like an idiot with his arms by his side.

One thing thats annoying me, just because the defence didnt do great doesnt mean that the goalkeeper gets let off with making an error either. Thats what goalies are there for, to mop up anything that a defence cant.

They will always concede of course, the conceding isnt really the problem with Howard. Its how he concedes them. Stupid basic errors and its been like that for well over a season now.

regarding City's second goal, I dont expect Howard to save it. I expect him to make an effort to save it though. Basic goalkeeping errors that highlight the problem we have with him.

He is the worst goalie in the Premier League for me right now. Thats not hyperbole or an overreaction (I actually like the bloke and want him to do well!) its just how it is. This past season has probably been the worst I have ever seen an Everton goalkeeper play and I include the likes of Wright and Gerrard in that.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

The second was worse than the first for me. You make yourself big, he didnt do that and just ran towards the ball like an idiot with his arms by his side.

One thing thats annoying me, just because the defence didnt do great doesnt mean that the goalkeeper gets let off with making an error either. Thats what goalies are there for, to mop up anything that a defence cant.

They will always concede of course, the conceding isnt really the problem with Howard. Its how he concedes them. Stupid basic errors and its been like that for well over a season now.

regarding City's second goal, I dont expect Howard to save it. I expect him to make an effort to save it though. Basic goalkeeping errors that highlight the problem we have with him.

He is the worst goalie in the Premier League for me right now. Thats not hyperbole or an overreaction (I actually like the bloke and want him to do well!) its just how it is. This past season has probably been the worst I have ever seen an Everton goalkeeper play and I include the likes of Wright and Gerrard in that.

While he is steadily on a sharp decline, i wouldn't go as far as saying he is the worst keeper in the league at present.

He is getting worse as each season goes on though, literally have little or no confidence in him - then he makes a great save and i think yesssss... maybe he is getting back to his best. Then he gets lobbed from 6 yards out.

Not the worst in the league, but needs replacing very soon.

 

[ijjysmith]

While he is steadily on a sharp decline, i wouldn't go as far as saying he is the worst keeper in the league at present.

He is getting worse as each season goes on though, literally have little or no confidence in him - then he makes a great save and i think yesssss... maybe he is getting back to his best. Then he gets lobbed from 6 yards out.

Not the worst in the league, but needs replacing very soon.

Who would you say is worse mate? No wind up, just wonder your opinion as I can't think of one. Even Pantillimon is better in my eyes.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

Who would you say is worse mate? No wind up, just wonder your opinion as I can't think of one. Even Pantillimon is better in my eyes.

Hahaha, no i get that mate am not saying he is amazing, but i think there are worse. I think Mayhill, Guzan are worse, maybe Fabianski. Probably Boruc too.

He has the ability to make great saves, but lets all be honest he is so far on the decline that if he lasts much longer he will become a parody of the player he was.

I am hoping he wants a season in the MLS at the end of this year.

The problem is, i dont even know where a replacement would come from at this moment in time - we cant seem to get the players we want, let alone the goalie we need.

 

[ijjysmith]

Hahaha, no i get that mate am not saying he is amazing, but i think there are worse. I think Mayhill, Guzan are worse, maybe Fabianski. Probably Boruc too.

He has the ability to make great saves, but lets all be honest he is so far on the decline that if he lasts much longer he will become a parody of the player he was.

I am hoping he wants a season in the MLS at the end of this year.

The problem is, i dont even know where a replacement would come from at this moment in time - we cant seem to get the players we want, let alone the goalie we need.

All better in my eyes mate (you are asking for the wrath of a nation putting Guzan in that list by the way!). The reason I think they are better is that they do the simple things well.

Fabianski is bloody good by the way!

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

All better in my eyes mate (you are asking for the wrath of a nation putting Guzan in that list by the way!). The reason I think they are better is that they do the simple things well.

Fabianski is bloody good by the way!

Hahaha, my villa mate hates him - say he is the most error prone keeper he has seen (which considering some of the keepers they have had, i was shocked about that).

All about opinions - either way better then them or not, he is on the way out so we really should be planning for that now.

Preferably before he gets off in the summer and we panic, bring in a 18 year old replacement and start Robles... while i like Robles (and he should never have been dropped last year), i am yet to be convinced he 100% convinced he is the top keeper we need.

 

[ijjysmith]

Hahaha, my villa mate hates him - say he is the most error prone keeper he has seen (which considering some of the keepers they have had, i was shocked about that).

All about opinions - either way better then them or not, he is on the way out so we really should be planning for that now.

Preferably before he gets off in the summer and we panic, bring in a 18 year old replacement and start Robles... while i like Robles (and he should never have been dropped last year), i am yet to be convinced he 100% convinced he is the top keeper we need.

Nah essentially we agree. We need a new keeper. 2 probably.

 

[Garrick]

All better in my eyes mate (you are asking for the wrath of a nation putting Guzan in that list by the way!). The reason I think they are better is that they do the simple things well.

Fabianski is bloody good by the way!

Guzan has been crap lately. Had a horrible Gold Cup.

Rimando is the new king of the USMNT Keeper hill. Even though he's 36.

Also, sadly, not bald.

 

[Papa Shango]

Hahaha, no i get that mate am not saying he is amazing, but i think there are worse. I think Mayhill, Guzan are worse, maybe Fabianski. Probably Boruc too.

He has the ability to make great saves, but lets all be honest he is so far on the decline that if he lasts much longer he will become a parody of the player he was.

I am hoping he wants a season in the MLS at the end of this year.

The problem is, i dont even know where a replacement would come from at this moment in time - we cant seem to get the players we want, let alone the goalie we need.

All goalies have the ability to make great saves. Even at pub league level. Thats why they are goalkeepers!

I dont really know much about Myhill but I would have the others listed over Howard at this point (not that I actually want any of them.)

 

[Kiwi]

I just want us to have a keeper who saves us more points than he costs us.

Think we won't bring in one this year but will defo bring one in next summer. Whether that is the right call or not is to be seen.

 

[Smudge1985]

Honestly, I'm more upset that his head was turned away and his eyes were closed. He may have conceded either way, but you have to keep your eyes on the ball to have any chance at reacting to the shot. He did not. It's unbecoming.

Is he the worst goalkeeper in the league? No idea, I watch Everton. He is not good enough for us, and he's our number one choice. There is no position in which our number one choice is so poor and has no room to develop.

We need a #10/playmaker. We need squad fillers. But we also need a first choice keeper. And we need it badly. It would be one thing if these sorts of things were rare, or if he regularly turned up for his good form, but he doesn't. He plays well 1 game out of 10. He plays poorly far more often than that. I watch in hope that he has a mediocre game. It's not a good thing.

This is no hyperbole - he's not good enough for the role he fills. Osman? Bench player and cover - not good enough for the starting XI regularly, but irritates me less because he plays less. Naismith? Severely limited footballer that does have value when deployed properly against the correct opposition...all too often deployed improperly against the wrong opposition in lieu of better options, that's the manager's fault.

Can you honestly tell me one first choice member of our team that is so consistently bad AND isn't young and filled with potential?

I think this is fair. Ive been a big fan of Osman all his career, but there is no doubt age is catching up with him and he cant always be as effective as he was. He still has something to offer, just not every week, which is fair enough, as he doesnt play every week. Agree too on naismith, I dont believe he is crap, he is a decent squad player used in certain situations. He is not a centre forward, or a winger, so its no real wonder he mostly looks terrible when he plays in either of those positions.

In answer to your question at the end, Id say only Gareth Barry. But thats for another thread.

The second was worse than the first for me. You make yourself big, he didnt do that and just ran towards the ball like an idiot with his arms by his side.

One thing thats annoying me, just because the defence didnt do great doesnt mean that the goalkeeper gets let off with making an error either. Thats what goalies are there for, to mop up anything that a defence cant.

They will always concede of course, the conceding isnt really the problem with Howard. Its how he concedes them. Stupid basic errors and its been like that for well over a season now.

regarding City's second goal, I dont expect Howard to save it. I expect him to make an effort to save it though. Basic goalkeeping errors that highlight the problem we have with him.

He is the worst goalie in the Premier League for me right now. Thats not hyperbole or an overreaction (I actually like the bloke and want him to do well!) its just how it is. This past season has probably been the worst I have ever seen an Everton goalkeeper play and I include the likes of Wright and Gerrard in that.

Agree with everything in this. Especially the 'make yourself big' bit. First rule of goalkeeping in a one on one situation, make the goal look smaller, give him nothing to aim at. My dad keeps defending him over the saves he made earlier in the game. Lets be blunt, pretty much all of them, bar the one that deflected first half, were saves you expect your keeper to make. Like you say, he's starting to remind me of Richard Wright. He could make some great saves, as every keeper in the world can. Christ, the best goalkeeping performance Ive ever seen was from a Cammell Lairds keeper in an FA Trophy game, but I doubt he's that good every week or he wouldnt be playing for Lairds! The thing is, same as any position, playing in goal isnt just making saves, Its organising your defence, positioning, judgement, decision making, all that stuff. Howard can do the easy bit of being a keeper and thats the saves. Hes crap at all those other things. The number of goals he has conceded because he has failed at the basics of being a goalkeeper are obscene, They are the kind of mistakes you would be expecting from a keeper Joel's age. Not from a 36 year old international as experienced as he is. Flying out and chopping down James McArthur when he was marked by two players at home to Palace last season, awful positioning leading to goals from free kicks at Liverpool and Sunderland, his obsession with playing the ball short to defenders when there is an attacker stood next to them, he's always been suspect from distance, that bloody Leicester game at Goodison, all horrible horrible errors that would be indefensible in a schoolboy keeper.

 

[AaronTheBlue]

I think everyone agrees we need a new goalkeeper.

I don't think Robles is the answer either. I'd rather spend money on a GK than a striker before the window shuts.

We're spending 500k on a striker, who i'm sure with his age MAY be able to feature as a 3rd choice striker.. so theres money going to be there for a goalkeeper, theres no excuse not to go and get one.

It's shocking, we should go and try get someone like Horn, or Karius, up and coming goalkeeper.

 

[Brendan Janus]

David Marshall at Cardiff City is a good keeper !!