Thomas69
Player Valuation: £500k
If you say so Obi Wan
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4737carlin
Player Valuation: £90m
Embarrassing that "are you from the USA stuff" is, if Howard is that bad they wouldn't have to fall back on such childish comments
There is no ex United stigma, never has been, it was widely accepted that Sir Alex was finding it hard to get a replacement for Schmeichel and just didn't know who to buy or how to judge them. Until van der Sar came in he went through about 10 keepers. Howard had one bad Champions League game, just one and we signed him, Evertonians believed United should of handed him more time but they opted to go with Carroll who was also gone not long after. Howard wasn't good enough for United but he was never looked at as a United reject and not good enough for us, until now.
Carlito
Player Valuation: £40m
That isn't what happened.
He was first choice at United until dropping an easy free kick, and subsequently his arse, in 2004. It was the game that launched Mourinho.
He was then given plenty of chances to re-establish himself, but against such fierce competition as Roy Carroll and Ricardo he came up short. Everton signed him in 2006, after van der Sar turned up at United and put to bed any doubts about who was number one.
The reason he didn't cut it at United is because even at his best he's just about average, and that isn't good enough at the top. He should count himself lucky that the mistakes he makes aren't the type that make it onto slapstick highlight reels, or he'd have fallen as far down the league as Gomes and Almunia did.
A quick search of the vaults will prove otherwise.
Charlie Sweet
Player Valuation: £35m
Is anyone in this thread actually saying Howard is any good these days? Or are we just arguing about what's led up to this point?
Can we lock this thread because he's never going to get better.
carolinablue232
Player Valuation: £70m
I agree with most of this. Fans and managers for the most part don't care where a player is from. What gets me with Howard, is that the abuse does no favors for anyone, and there is a group of supporters that are so ingrained with their opinions that nothing will change them despite what actually happens on the pitch. Some of the goals Howard is blamed for on here are just ridiculous. Some are not. It's the over the top talk that takes away from the warranted criticism. I also think there's a good portion of the fan base that only watches Everton matches. The overall keeping standard is pretty poor in the league as a whole right now. Saying Howard is one of the 3 or 4 worst just isn't the case if you pay attention.
Yup, I've gotten it a few times. When I lived in England I wasn't singing the praises of David Seaman. I'm Irish, I have no national loyalty to Howard.
However he has been loyal and, overall, a good servant to Everton.
He's had a bad dip in form that calls for him to be dropped, however he doesn't pick the team, Martinez does. If you're sick of Howard being in goals, get on the back of the person that puts him there.
Getting on his back just unsettles him and the team and in the long run does no one any favors.
I get that players come in for stick from time to time but I don't remember it getting to this level before, maybe it's the internet. There are a lot of people taking the piss out of his TS, for me that's going too far, especially when we blow our own trumpet about being a family club etc.
Charlie Sweet
Player Valuation: £35m
What absolutely claptrap.
He is paid what £50,000 per week? He isn't displaying loyalty by adhering to the terms of a contract his expensively assembled team of advisers put together. He isn't acting as a servant when he dignifies us with his presence on the park.
The idea that a man like Howard with questionable morals off the pitch - is somehow being lauded for standing by a multi-million pound contract is a bit silly to put it mildly.
bcblue1878
Player Valuation: £50m
Have to disagree Nymzee, he has really not been a "great" keeper over the span of his PL career! Great keepers are the likes of Southall, Schmeichel, Cech and a few, and I mean few others. Courtois and De Gea could well go on to be "great" keepers but Tim Howard is really not and has never been anywhere near as good as those names. Up until about 18 months ago I would have said he was a good keeper who was always prone to the occasional mistake, however since then he has been a problem that needs solving - sooner rather than later!
I'd say Howard has been great as an average over his time but Cech, Schmeichel etc. are THE greats.
Bluetintedspecs
Player Valuation: £6m
There's no anti-American theme here. Can we not just agree to disagree without people coming out with crap about it being because Howard's American, or because Americans aren't as clued up so their opinions don't matter. I find it far more offensive that people come out with this anti-American BS just because others don't agree with them. He gets criticised for one simple reason. He's no longer good enough and hasn't been for some time.
Landon Donovan was loved here and we embraced the fact he was an American. Do you not remember the chants of "USA, USA, USA" when he scored for us? Donovan still has a genuine affinity for the club because of how the fans responded to him.
I think it's great that we have so many American posters on here. For a club that hasn't won anything in 20 years, unless you're from the area or it runs in the family, supporting Everton is not an obvious choice, so I respect anyone who chooses Everton rather than the easier glory hunting option. If some Americans on here started supporting Everton because of Tim Howard, that's also great, but people are entitled to their opinions and no player should be immune from criticism, regardless of where they're from.
bcblue1878
Player Valuation: £50m
"Great as an average", think we better agree to disagree! The only word there that applies to Tim Howard these days is average! He's still a reasonable/good shot stopper as per Spurs away this season! But dealing with crosses in particular anything inside his six yard box, and his distribution are both probably below average, when average isn't really good enough!
Bluetintedspecs
Player Valuation: £6m
Nobody cares who a player used to play for as long as they perform well. Did we care that Kanchelskis used to play for Man U or Beardsley used to play for Liverpool?
Eric Djemba-Djemba
Player Valuation: £60m
Howard's performances offend me.
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