Because it was designed to be a thread slagging off Martinez lack of training at set pieces, not a thread about Cahill
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BoysInBlue
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It's my thread and no, it wasn't.
It was started as a thread about Cahill's book. I mentioned it was very good. I mentioned there's an explanation for the Cabaye sending off. I mentioned in a later post in the thread that he had a pain killing injection before more than half the games he played in 12/13.
I've explained why the page scan was included, in multiple posts.
Maybe if people posted their thoughts on the book and on Cahill, instead of rushing to the defence of Martinez, it probably wouldnt be getting dragged off topic.
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kenada_blue
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Anyone else get this for Christmas? Been reading and it's very good.
Very honest and interesting. Moyes comes off great in the book as you might expect; Cahill was very close to him and they had a good relationship.
Some interesting bits. Cahill explained what happened with the Cabaye sending off in the last game of 11/12 - Cabaye was repeatedly mouthing off about Cahill's mother, so Tim just lost it.
Also there's a very interesting passage about how Moyes trained the team defensively. It's been doing the rounds on Twitter, but here's the screenshot of the page:
While I'd honestly love that now...hed do the same against dross opposition and made us scared when it came to the crunch.
The opposit now.
SingBlue
Player Valuation: £2.5m
I'm not doubting this but quickly want to share a story. In 2007 I was based in Singapore, was reading a newspaper in a pub that announced the Aussie squad coming to SG for 10 days training camp, 3 months down the line. Borrowed the landlord's laptop to send an email to Graeme Sharp, requesting Tim meet the Everton fans in SG during the trip, and within 15 mins he'd replied, they'd spoken to him, and if he was fit (metatarsal episode) then he'd do it. But I had to email the Aussies.
So I emailed the Aussie National Squad PR. Got a reply a couple of weeks later saying no way. Thought nothing more of it. Couple of weeks before they arrived, got a phone call from an irate member of the Aussie backroom staff, calling me all sorts saying I'd "got to him". I hadn't - Tim had just told them that even though it was international duty, he was doing it. There was only one other function on that trip - Mark Viduka went into a local school. No other club fans got to meet players.
I agreed to half an hour meeting only, had to provide all sorts of security (fat mates) and chauffeured cars (local head of BMW was a Blue, no problem). We ended up having him for 2 and a half hours, and he made sure after the Q&A everyone who wanted a photo and autograph got one.
He was an ambassador for the club. (And the club was great in helping get it done).
I met a footy TV host a few weeks later who'd done a TV interview with him, and he said he was great, and mentioned the Singapore meet up as a highlight of his 10 day trip.
I can believe the other stuff, I recall Phil Neville always referencing how he spent longer preening himself in the dressing room than anyone else. I guess he was just being a youngish lad with a load of money. As far as I know he was a family man, although I recall someone on here a long time ago suggesting he had a bit of a reputation with the women - but nothing ever appeared in the gutter press. I doubt he would come back after his playing days are up. I think he's set up academies and a foundation in Australia, and apparently has a rather nice house there by a lake, so expect him to "retire" there.
Could you put another page or half a dozen from the book so we can see what he says? Maybe about the Cup Final, the penalty shoot out etc. Haven't got it yet so a good few page snippets wouldn't go amiss. Thanks in advance.
I felt for him when he missed his pen at Wembley. Does he say how he felt?
allezlesbleus
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Generally a risk when you meet your heroes in case they are a pain or worse in real life. The one time. I met Cahill he has a real gent and had time for the fans even though it was not long before a game.
Same re Moyes at a time when he could easily have been brusque to put it mildly because he was preparing for a game. Very friendly.
I am looking forward to reading this book. He played a big part in the whole Moyes era and imo was a really good player. Not a born blue but gave a lot to the cause. A narky get at times too but he was our narky get. If this team could develop a bit more of his grit and snide..........
Same re Moyes at a time when he could easily have been brusque to put it mildly because he was preparing for a game. Very friendly.
I am looking forward to reading this book. He played a big part in the whole Moyes era and imo was a really good player. Not a born blue but gave a lot to the cause. A narky get at times too but he was our narky get. If this team could develop a bit more of his grit and snide..........
royvernon39
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Dead right. With all the focus on our rubbish keeper and RM's poor game management, the conversation has overlooked the quality that all top teams have, physical aggression. Cahill had it, Gabriel, Morrissey, Lyons,Radcliffe, Van der Hauwe, too but the current crop do not have enough of it.
allezlesbleus
Player Valuation: £35m
I am hoping Besic may bring it...... McCarthy has it too.
DanEFC92
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Does Martinez have a similar blotted copy book as he chose to defend Kenwright (and co) when fans flew that anti-board banner over Southampton's stadium?
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
He didn't condemn the protest, just stated that it didn't reflect the whole story and appealed for unity. That was the difference. Moyes was very specific in his attack. IIRC he was pretty aggressive against the Blue Union lot on MOTD after the Villa game that season. And Cahill echoed his view that the players were all behind Kenwright.
DanEFC92
Player Valuation: £90m
Moyes: 'What I've been trying to get across is that any protests can maybe diminish what we have achieved, and what we have still got at Goodison. Look, people are entitled to their opinion, and I would never tell anyone they were wrong for expressing it, but I think we have to be careful in what we believe Everton are capable of achieving.'
Hardly condemning it.
Both toed the pro-board line.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
He caned the Blue Union for publishing an interview with Kenwright, called it 'unacceptable' and gave his backing to Kenwright.
That's not a defence of an entitlement to an opinion. When push came to shove he fell in behind Kenwright and against fans working for positive change and he did so using some BS pretext of an interview that was published without consent.
royvernon39
Player Valuation: £10m
Yes. He had to fall in line or if not resign. As we all have to do with our bosses in whatever walk of life.
But, and this is just a feeling, DM had had enough of Billy Liar's failures by the end and the subsequent falling out between the two and some of DM's snide comments support this feeling.
DM kept the team on an upward trajectory, unlike a bunch of teams we can mention, and without one penny of the Liar's and his mates' money.
Sorry, off-topic.
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