This is how it could end up

[Dell Boy]

When you say 'footballing people' do you just mean moyes ? As im not sure who else is at the club that fits that criteria .

I'll also say I hear a lot that moyes has 'absolute control' on transfers and I think historically he probably did , well certainly a lot of influence rather than absolute. I will say and this is not speculation that a couple of years ago moyes approved a loan deal for an established premier league player , this deal had no loan fee but a agent's 'facilitation fee' (due because the agent had negotiated down the loaning club who initially wanted a fee and dropped their wages contribution massively ) . Moyes agreed the deal only for the deal to be pulled at boardroom level so much so moyes contacted the agents to apologise.

I think moyes has massive influence even control at the club but as I understand it it's not 'total'.

I have a lot of respect for what you have to say and the manner in which you post. I'm sure there have been certain examples like the one you mention but I too have seen first hand how Moyes has an incredible control over elements of the club that really have nothing to do with the playing squad. And not immaterial things.

It is for that reason I honestly believe Moyes has a greater degree of control at Goodison than any other manager in the league. I say that on the basis that United are just too big a beast for even Sir Red Nose to seriously control all of it.

 

[Dell Boy]

Having no AGM is just giving ammunition to the Kenwright haters

Better to face the detractors rather than hide. Makes the board look like cowards

Bloody Hell, even Arsene Wenger faced the wolves head on at the Arsenal AGM. That took some sack, I'll give him that

Agree completely. Not opening up more is probably Kenwright's biggest fault in my eyes.

 

[Dell Boy]

You assume posters hate kenwright becuase what? they point out failures.

I think it is more to do with the language that is continually employed by the anti-Kenwright mob that warrants the 'Hate' tag. The verbal abuse is omnipresent and does the argument no credit at all.

 

[Goat]

I dont even think hate covers it anymore for me.

I prefer the term Kenwrong despiser.

 

[Allezfan]

I have a lot of respect for what you have to say and the manner in which you post. I'm sure there have been certain examples like the one you mention but I too have seen first hand how Moyes has an incredible control over elements of the club that really have nothing to do with the playing squad. And not immaterial things.

It is for that reason I honestly believe Moyes has a greater degree of control at Goodison than any other manager in the league. I say that on the basis that United are just too big a beast for even Sir Red Nose to seriously control all of it.

You uncomfortable with the amount of power kenwright has given to moyes, dell? Because I am.

 

[Moomin]

I don't understand where people get this idea that wages are going to suddenly swallow £30m a season. This increase is far greater than any previous TV rights increase, so looking to the past and saying 'it happened before' doesn't work.

£30m is £567,000 a week in extra wages. It's madness to suggest that's all just going to disappear into costs. There will be plenty of spare cash for transfers for at least the next two seasons.

Besides, from 2013-2014 any club with a wage bill over £52m will only be allowed to increase it by £4m a season. The only way you can get around that is by using money not from the Premier League deals, which we are poor at anyway.

Our wage bill in 2010/11 was £58m, so those sanctions apply to us.

This TV deal is huge, to say the least. The last time we had a massive increase was for the period 2007 - 2010, when the deal was done for 1.7 billion ( A jump up from 1 billion for the 2004 - 2007 deal )

During the 2007 - 2010 period, did we decrease the debt or increase it?? and also, what assets did we sell during that period ( I think Bellefield was, did we sell the Netherton training facility as well?? )

Yes, this current deal is massive, but so was the 2007 deal compared to the previous one. We can't keep relying on the tv deals, we need our own commercial growth to keep ahead of the likes of Fulham and Sunderland etc etc etc.

I would like to think this tv deal will be different to the previous one, but i have the feeling that we will just be having bigger loans from Vibrac for future tv money.

Link for tv deals from the daily hate.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2158898/Premier-League-footballers-set-richer-broadcast-rights-sold-Sky-BT.html

The £3BILLION bonanza: Premier League footballers set to get even richer as broadcast rights are sold for record sum to Sky and BT
2013-16 rise is a massive £1.254billion or 70% increase




By Damien Gayle

PUBLISHED:20:57, 13 June 2012| UPDATED:08:48, 14 June 2012

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More cash for Mario: The Premier League deal will hand millions more to clubs to spend on players

The Premier League has cashed in with a new £3.018billion deal which splits domestic broadcast rights between BSkyB and phone company BT.

The phenomenal new deal for 2013-16 is a massive £1.254billion - 70 per cent - increase on the current deal, which is shared between Sky and U.S.-based sports network ESPN.

The extra cash for clubs will give them extra millions to splash on players' salaries and transfer deals, making the world's most-watched football league even more of a bonanza.

Premier League footballers have come under fire in recent years for their extravagant lifestyles and huge pay deals, and the latest injection of cash into the competition will likely inflate salaries even further.

However the league has already told clubs that it expects at least some of the cash to be invested in new infrastructure and youth development.


Under the new deal, Sky will continue to broadcast the bulk of the Premier League's matches.

The broadcaster has bought five of the seven available packages for the seasons 2013/14 to 2015/16, totalling 116 matches per year.

BT have acquired the rights for 32 matches in the first season of the deal but their package includes 18 of the 38 first-choice picks, which means some of the biggest games will theirs.

The telecoms company said it would launch a new football-focused channel to broadcast their share of the matches.




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'It will offer new interactive features when supplied over BT’s fibre network and we will look to distribute it on other platforms,' BT said in a statement.

Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore revealed the thrilling climax to the recent season, when Manchester City won the title in injury time on the last day, contributed to the increase.











'We have just come off the back of a fantastic season and it has been good for us,' Mr Scudamore said.

'We went to the market at the right time. It was a very competitive process which if you are selling is a very good thing.'

However, at after announcing the deal this afternoon, he pleaded with clubs not to simply use the extra cash to rack up losses and fuel wage inflation, but also to invest in infrastructure and youth development.

'We are entering a new era with financial fair play, I'm hoping it will get invested in things other than playing talent. It should also be able to achieve sustainability,' the Guardian quoted him as saying.

In a statement on the Premier League website, Mr Scudamore said: 'The Barclays Premier League continues to provide excellent football and enthralling drama as we saw last season. The value this drives for our rights holders is evident and we are extremely pleased that this has been realised for our UK live rights.

'As ever, the security provided by broadcast revenues will enable our clubs to continue to invest in all aspects of their football activities and plan sustainably for the foreseeable future.


'This deal allows them to keep delivering what fans want; top quality football in some of world’s best club stadia and an increasing focus on and commitment to areas such as Youth Development.

 

[sheeds]

I have a lot of respect for what you have to say and the manner in which you post. I'm sure there have been certain examples like the one you mention but I too have seen first hand how Moyes has an incredible control over elements of the club that really have nothing to do with the playing squad. And not immaterial things.

It is for that reason I honestly believe Moyes has a greater degree of control at Goodison than any other manager in the league. I say that on the basis that United are just too big a beast for even Sir Red Nose to seriously control all of it.

I absolutely think he has huge influence and I certainly think considerably more than most other managers all I was doing was quoting one example , that absolutely isnt urban legend or gossip , where moyes agreed a deal that didn't go through as the board wouldn't green light the 'facilitation fee' . I don't think this is frequent and the people I know said if was the first they'd encountered with us.

 

[Dell Boy]

You uncomfortable with the amount of power kenwright has given to moyes, dell? Because I am.

That wasn't the point I was making No. I was saying I honestly believe Moyes controls the club from top to bottom.

But the fact we're now to be had over a barrell by Moyes in the will he/won't he saga does mean we'd be extra f*cked if he went. That does annoy me because I'd quite like a new manager.

 

[Allezfan]

That wasn't the point I was making No. I was saying I honestly believe Moyes controls the club from top to bottom.

But the fact we're now to be had over a barrell by Moyes in the will he/won't he saga does mean we'd be extra f*cked if he went. That does annoy me because I'd quite like a new manager.

But he can have us over the barrell on this one, for the same reason that he's so well paid, and that he suffers on conseuqnces for losing cup games and derbys and playing crap football and mishandling the kids.

Because Kenwright has allowed the tail to wag the dog. He's let moyes believe that we need him more than he needs us.

 

[throughthewindandthedrain]

before I start this rant can I just creep a little and say that this site is the most balanced and least abusive of all the Blues sites I have seen, but wherever you go to find Blues chat there does seem to be a number of people obsessed with how much money Everton have as though it is there own money. If we had 150 million to spend it doesn't mean we get 10 Fellainis, it will probably mean one or two decent players and a handful of mercenaries. clubs are about the community, the fans and the staff from chairman to stewards. does it really give some of you no pleasure to be competing near the top of the table without spending ridiculous amounts and trying to sell our soul to the highest bidders. we are not exactly floundering in the blue square without a penny. we spend highly on wages and the academys. doesn't for one second mean we have the perfect chairman or manager, but not finishing fourth this year will be down to dodgy ref decisions, off form strikers, some poor tactics and some sloppy defending. all sortable without cash. cash may help in couple of areas, but who from and what it entails are crucial to how I feel about this club. you can bet the people just crying out to spend money without knowing who or how will be the same ones who whinge when we end up where Villa or even Portsmouth are.

 

[njligernj]

What I am against is marching in the streets like kopites when there is a clear absence of evidence of serious wrongdoing and an even more glaring dearth of new investors and prospective owners.

Well first off nobody is doing any marching right now.

If we were ... so what? Why are you against that? You don't think it would work? Or that it would hurt us?

Do you think badly of Man U fans for marching on the Glazers? Did the Glazers punish the fans for hanging them in effigy?

Marching doesn't really work (RS were sold by banks not marching and the Glazers are still in control and their MU takeover has hurt their NFL team WAY more than their PL team) but why do you feel the need to stop us from acting like that (either with literal marching or just with whining on a website)?

Do you believe BK will sabotage the team to gain revenge? What's your issue?

 

[D410]

I think it is more to do with the language that is continually employed by the anti-Kenwright mob that warrants the 'Hate' tag. The verbal abuse is omnipresent and does the argument no credit at all.

I think it has to do with you labeling the fans in the first place haters when you,ve been done in on your POV.

 

[Dell Boy]

Well first off nobody is doing any marching right now.

If we were ... so what? Why are you against that? You don't think it would work? Or that it would hurt us?

Do you think badly of Man U fans for marching on the Glazers? Did the Glazers punish the fans for hanging them in effigy?

Marching doesn't really work (RS were sold by banks not marching and the Glazers are still in control and their MU takeover has hurt their NFL team WAY more than their PL team) but why do you feel the need to stop us from acting like that (either with literal marching or just with whining on a website)?

Do you believe BK will sabotage the team to gain revenge? What's your issue?

In respect of marching:

1. I'd rather the club wasn't portrayed in that manner. I think the modern day penchant for marching is pretty insulting to other marches where there was/is something actually important at stake. I also think it was a bit premature to march before any 'smoking guns' of fact or evidence were ever found

2. It won't ever achieve anything and could potentially de-stabilise the club - which I view as dangerous in the absence of any white knight

I don't really care about United. But I don't think the Glazers have been any good for United and if I were a fan I could easily have been swept up in the whole FC United thing.

I'm not stopping anyone do anything. I'm voicing an opinion.

I definitely do not think Kenwright would do anything malicious to a club I believe he cares about.

 

[Brennan]

In respect of marching:

1. I'd rather the club wasn't portrayed in that manner. I think the modern day penchant for marching is pretty insulting to other marches where there was/is something actually important at stake. I also think it was a bit premature to march before any 'smoking guns' of fact or evidence were ever found

2. It won't ever achieve anything and could potentially de-stabilise the club - which I view as dangerous in the absence of any white knight

I don't really care about United. But I don't think the Glazers have been any good for United and if I were a fan I could easily have been swept up in the whole FC United thing.

I'm not stopping anyone do anything. I'm voicing an opinion.

I definitely do not think Kenwright would do anything malicious to a club I believe he cares about.

So you don't think Everton's future is important enough for a march ? Wow.

 

[Dell Boy]

So you don't think Everton's future is important enough for a march ? Wow.

If I thought Everton's future was actually at stake at that point then there is some substance to that question. I don't believe it was and I don't think it was an issue at that time that warranted a march.