The "Rational" Everton thread

Hello all, rather than occasionally commenting in the Ale House I'll contribute properly

After yet another disappointing, limp and fairly embarrassing exit from the FA Cup at home, heads are falling off left, right and centre. You know what, they're allowed to do that, it makes the forum that more entertaining when over reaction, whether positive or negative, always outweighs the moderate opinion.

As someone who merely listened to the Sunderland game at random points on the radio, I thought I'd introduce the rational thread for those to help put a bit of perspective on our situation. I'll start....

Moyes - Moyes has a plan A, and when plan A has worked, it has worked very well. We've got some big wins this season when it has worked. Sadly plan A has only really worked with his favourite 11 and when someone is replaced or plan A isn't working, he won't change anything. 2006-2009 Moyes used have coaches that helped change tactics although now he appears to be surrounded by yes men. We're never getting rid of him though so hopefully he can scrape some points out of the squad before our first 11 are back and fit. It'll be 10th, which is fine, not great but I can live with it.

The squad - Our first 11 is a good team, it's not the fastest but we have enough players who can actually move a ball quickly with their feet. Our squad however is fairly abysmal, but not just in quality, why do we still after all these years buy no one with pace? Baffling! Every other squad may have some naff players but their naff players are twice as fast as ours. Considering the tactics we've tried with the last 3 managers, pace is essential. As a result, the minute a player comes in after barely any minutes, not only is he slow with the ball, he's slow to think about what to do. The one positive after today I suppose is we have genuinely been unlucky with injuries so whilst we have issues now, it's not disastrous like the last 2 or 3 seasons.

Gk - no issues, just maybe don't launch it to Beto and Barry so often.

RB - Why we don't have a new RB is beyond anyone but Patterson hasn't done any worse than JoB so let's keep him there for the time being

LB - not as urgent but I hope the owners and management realise Myko is not a long term solution there, at least we have a LB

CB - bizarrely Tarks has been the weak link here, but hopefully when Branthwaite is back again this won't be a problem area.

CM/AM - for once I'd like us to pass to our CM on the floor, too often in the last 5 years they have just been bypassed with a cross field ball. Again, why we never get anyone with pace in this position baffles me. Bright side, a fully fit squad of KDH, Garner, Gueye and Armstrong is promising if used properly.

Wingers - why can't we find more players like Ndiaye? Just send a scout out to look for similar places at a similar price. Grealish looks less interested now he's realised no one moves off the ball. After that, we desperately need pace, and why hasn't McNeil gone yet? Loan a player in and get Dibling out on loan. Poor Afcon planning has annoyed me a bit. At least we have an Ndiaye to come back.

Strikers - I don't mind Barry as a signing, but not for £25 and not if the striker he is up against is Beto. He won't do it but shirely Moyes realises how crap Beto is? Barry will get some benefit of the doubt due to his age but in an ideal world we'd get a mobile striker in and send him out on loan.

Not seen enough of our youngsters to see how good they are but if they are on the bench, if we're losing badly, or 2 goals up, just bring them on to rest players. Not hard.

Positives for this season though.

1. Whilst we are wildly inconsistent atm, the whole league except arsenal, villa and man city are wildly inconsistent so we're no different on that front

2. We did the double of Dyche

3. We finally broke our duck away at Bournemouth, and beat a Man Utd side away from home against a manager other than Moyes.

4. Whilst we have the usual issues on the pitch, at least no one is talking about how bad we are off it (recruitment aside)

5. At least we have a home where there are no obstructed views.

TL:DR our season is 6.5/10, not amazing but mile better than it has been since 2021.
Your third paragraph said it all really. If I barely listen to the match or just check in on the scores then I'm fairly sanguine about the whole process. However, if I'm watching the match or am in actual attendance then my blood will start to boil. Distance from what is actually happening is the key.
 
I don't hate them anymore than I did a year ago.


Progress
You're obviously not trying hard enough

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Good post
We all(well most) want to see us do better . But it takes time . We have been run terribly for years and haven't been a real top side since the late 80s. Its a miracle we have never been out of the Premier League and many would love to say that.
We need to recruit better but the profile of player we are signing now in the main is correct.
There will be some good results and some very poor ones same as most clubs in the league.
But people need to realise it will take time. 32 years since a trophy and that has to be the aim. But there are a lot of clubs now capable of doing the same. Its frustrating at times. But we are still a big club, with an incredible stadium and huge fan base.
Don't let Everton control how you feel for too long though. At the end of the day its a pastime that's meant to be enjoyable.
 
I think what is rational or not on the current situation is entirely subjective.

Some of the worst posts in the Moyes thread are the posters who seem 100% sure they are right and that all others are loco, that Moyes just needs time and we should all settle down

There's a few crazies for sure who are just ranting, but there's an awful lot more posters who just don't agree he is what the club needs IF there is some ambition from the new owners. That it will take time yes, that it needs to be under this guy no.

(If they aren't arsed then I'd love to know as I'd just accept Moyes, watch less games and take a step back until something changes)

Also I think if the poll on Moyes was more accurately put to sack now, sack in summer, sack at end of contract or keep and let him build with time IMO you'd see the % of posters going nuts and wanting him out now would be relatively low. The non-ratonal stuff IMO is a minority in the manager thread apart from some bursts of activity after another crap game.
 
Seems that playing an average RB improves the structure and team performance.
But no way do we have a good first 11 without a decent striker.
 
I’m just happy to not be looking over my shoulder worrying about a relegation fight.

I actually think the Friedkins will keep Moyes at the club till his contract finishes. They’ll see him as a safe pair of hands while their ‘project’ continues.
I'm a bit like this. They can be very, very frustrating (see this current run). But the past couple of seasons were absolute horror shows and how were still in this league is a miracle. Once our starting 11 are all back we'll start picking points up.
 
I feel no reason to freak out this season.

Recent results have been disappointing after I think as a fanbase we started to get our hopes a bit too high for what we could realistically achieve.

Our team has been decimated - and really we only have a decent first 11. Hardly a surprise the depth isn’t there after the mammoth rebuild job started in the summer.

We’ll improve again in the next few weeks, and I think we’ll have a competent end to the season.

The new recruitment team, and our PSR headroom, means I’m going to be quite demanding of the club in the summer - but for now, I’m just pleased to have a boring, middling season after the existential chaos of the last few seasons.
 

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