The Now-Irrelevant 2024/25 Relegation Battle (Without Everton!)

[DanB90]

He’s always been like that when talking about expectations hasn’t he?

Even in the years we knew we’d be challenging for European places his m.o when asked was always “get to 40 points first and see where we are from there”.

 

[Socistep2]

The bottom three are toast. Southampton and Leicester offer nothing and will go down with a whimper. Ipswich will put up a bit more of a fight but even with them the only chance they've got is if Wolves implode and realistically that's not gonna happen. The gulf between the promoted teams and established clubs gets wider and wider by the year and I see very little chance of things changing next season. Out of all the teams looking to come up, only Leeds have even a slight chance to even get 17th. Everyone else is guaranteed the bottom three. The PL has absolutely ruined football. The gulf between the top teams and everyone else is as wide as the gulf between the poor but established clubs and the top championship sides.

Yeah got to agree, Burnley and Sheff Utd were awful last season yet sit 2nd and 3rd in the championship

Leeds probably have potential to stay up, depends whether they can do better then their previous stint and last longer then 3 seasons

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

Yeah got to agree, Burnley and Sheff Utd were awful last season yet sit 2nd and 3rd in the championship

Leeds probably have potential to stay up, depends whether they can do better then their previous stint and last longer then 3 seasons

Hope not

 

[Furey1878]

Yeah got to agree, Burnley and Sheff Utd were awful last season yet sit 2nd and 3rd in the championship

Leeds probably have potential to stay up, depends whether they can do better then their previous stint and last longer then 3 seasons

It's hard to say now isn't it? Think many thought Southampton and Leicester would be much tougher relegation rivals. We're in for a 2nd year running for the promotes teams going straight back down. Honestly, no matter how good Leeds look, I just don't fancy anyone promoted side to stay up.

Hope that changes like, no good for the competition if it just becomes a closed shop. Or the only way a team goes down is because of a points deduction or something.

 

[ToffeeScot]

He's controlling the narrative regarding relegation much better than Dyche though. He's making sure we don't become complacent (Either the club or fans), but also indicating we are a big club and our objectives are looking up rather than down. With Dyche the objective was always staying where we were and fending it off. Moyes is telling us we're going to stop fending and become the aggressor.

 

[Khalekan]

I hope not - that'd be a disgraceful end to our time at Goodison. Effectively acting like a gang of tomb raiders on one of the pyramids.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

He’s always been like that when talking about expectations hasn’t he?

Even in the years we knew we’d be challenging for European places his m.o when asked was always “get to 40 points first and see where we are from there”.

He has, and it's my biggest bugbear with him, how he downplays expectations at every turn - he's done it everywhere he's been. There's a time and a place for it - we've had that reality for the last few years out of necessity, but it's the last thing we need from this summer. New owners. New stadium. We get one big shot to really send a bolt of energy through the club this summer - a real opportunity to kick on, let's not temper it for self PR.

Do we want to start a next season with the manager saying something like "Remember, we've been in a relegation fight for years, lets get to 40 points..."

He's controlling the narrative regarding relegation much better than Dyche though. He's making sure we don't become complacent (Either the club or fans), but also indicating we are a big club and our objectives are looking up rather than down. With Dyche the objective was always staying where we were and fending it off. Moyes is telling us we're going to stop fending and become the aggressor.

There shouldn't be any narrative to control regarding relegation now. We're not going to get relegated;



Perception is important - we need to try and shift it away from perennial relegation scrap perception ASAP. Allardyce, Benitez, Dyche, scenes of Lampard celebrating staying up like we'd just won a title. The new stadium and spending this summer would go some way to getting us back to where we should be. A manager telling TV cameras vs Man Utd that he doesn't want to be the manager who relegated Everton isn't the best.

 

[ToffeeScot]

There shouldn't be any narrative to control regarding relegation now. We're not going to get relegated.

Perception is important - we need to try and shift it away from perennial relegation scrap perception ASAP. Allardyce, Benitez, Dyche, scenes of Lampard celebrating staying up like we'd just won a title. The new stadium and spending this summer would go some way to getting us back to where we should be.

We all know that and Moyes knows that but it's better to not be too cocky. Let's not forget how many points we were above the relegation zone before Moyes entered the building.

He's being sensible.

 

[COYBL25]

The bottom three are toast. Southampton and Leicester offer nothing and will go down with a whimper. Ipswich will put up a bit more of a fight but even with them the only chance they've got is if Wolves implode and realistically that's not gonna happen. The gulf between the promoted teams and established clubs gets wider and wider by the year and I see very little chance of things changing next season. Out of all the teams looking to come up, only Leeds have even a slight chance to even get 17th. Everyone else is guaranteed the bottom three. The PL has absolutely ruined football. The gulf between the top teams and everyone else is as wide as the gulf between the poor but established clubs and the top championship sides.

Leicester will save themselves when they appoint Dyche.

He`ll magically transform his football, from strangling games to get a point, to playing free flowing football, where Jamie Vardy slots for fun.

Meanwhile in the real world, they`ll get about 25 points and go down with a whimper.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

We all know that and Moyes knows that but it's better to not be too cocky. Let's not forget how many points we were above the relegation zone before Moyes entered the building.

He's being sensible.

It's not 'cocky'.

Everton aren't in a relegation fight. Just like West Ham, Man Utd and Spurs aren't.

Besides, the club would do well to embrace some self belief, or "be more cocky" now and going into next season.

 

[ToffeeScot]

It's not 'cocky'.

Everton aren't in a relegation fight. Just like West Ham, Man Utd and Spurs aren't.

Besides, the club would do well to embrace some self belief, or "be more cocky" now and going into next season.

Feel like you're being a bit obtuse in terms of how the media twist things, or would twist things if Moyes was handling it in a more elevated manner than he currently is.

He's being sensible and if you read between the lines it's quite clear he doesn't think we will be relegated, but he's making sure that we can tick along in that scenario with the media not making it a big hoo-hah.

 

[Amokachi1995]

He has, and it's my biggest bugbear with him, how he downplays expectations at every turn - he's done it everywhere he's been. There's a time and a place for it - we've had that reality for the last few years out of necessity, but it's the last thing we need from this summer. New owners. New stadium. We get one big shot to really send a bolt of energy through the club this summer - a real opportunity to kick on, let's not temper it for self PR.

Do we want to start a next season with the manager saying something like "Remember, we've been in a relegation fight for years, lets get to 40 points..."



There shouldn't be any narrative to control regarding relegation now. We're not going to get relegated;



Perception is important - we need to try and shift it away from perennial relegation scrap perception ASAP. Allardyce, Benitez, Dyche, scenes of Lampard celebrating staying up like we'd just won a title. The new stadium and spending this summer would go some way to getting us back to where we should be. A manager telling TV cameras vs Man Utd that he doesn't want to be the manager who relegated Everton isn't the best.

To be fair to him he was given a question about Brentford along the lines of 'is the aim to be a well run club like Brentford' and his response was that Everton have bigger aspirations than Brentford.

All pretty tame/obvious stuff but it was a bit of a forward looking marker towards moving perceptions. He could have batted it away or given a simple head pat.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Feel like you're being a bit obtuse in terms of how the media twist things, or would twist things if Moyes was handling it in a more elevated manner than he currently is.

He's being sensible and if you read between the lines it's quite clear he doesn't think we will be relegated, but he's making sure that we can tick along in that scenario with the media not making it a big hoo-hah.

Again though, we're not in a relegation fight.

Making out we are, is the complete opposite of this;

He's controlling the narrative regarding relegation much better than Dyche though. He's making sure we don't become complacent (Either the club or fans), but also indicating we are a big club and our objectives are looking up rather than down. With Dyche the objective was always staying where we were and fending it off. Moyes is telling us we're going to stop fending and become the aggressor.

The players aren't idiots either, they know we're not going down.

It's not about complacency, the players aren't idiots either, they know we're not going down.

You can guard against complacency by aiming up. Half the squad are playing for their contract or next move anyway.

 

[Victus]

I can't lie, I'd be tempted to steal my seat at the end. or something, maybe some of the pitch. Some lucky lads are going to get the corner flags the madlads.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

To be fair to him he was given a question about Brentford along the lines of 'is the aim to be a well run club like Brentford' and his response was that Everton have bigger aspirations than Brentford.

All pretty tame/obvious stuff but it was a bit of a forward looking marker towards moving perceptions. He could have batted it away or given a simple head pat.

Not sure what you're referring to, but he made the point of not wanting to be the manager to relegate Everton to multiple media outlets prior Man Utd. Example below wasn't in any response to Brentford;

Moyes: 'I didn't want to be the manager who took Everton down'

David Moyes has admitted he felt some trepidation about the prospect of relegation from the Premier League after his return to Goodison Park to manage Everton.

www.tntsports.co.uk

In my view, he just needs to shift perception away from relegation now. We should be a totally different outfit from this summer - so lets start working towards that. Talking about relegation would only be self serving.