The Now-Irrelevant 2024/25 Relegation Battle (Without Everton!)

[efcfanwirral]

Hope sacking Cooper pushes Leicester over a PSR cliff, maybe they are already over and willing to hang for a sheep as a lamb.

It's sad that our standards are so low now that we are hoping for a promoted team to get a points deduction

The thing with that is it will go on new years accounts, not for this season. So whatever his sacking added to wont be know till in a year or more time. There have been rumours for a while that they will already be over when accounts are published in a few months for last season etc,like everything we will find out when its announced

Yeah what they spend now definitely won't impact this season, but PSR might partly explain their decision to do it now. Maybe they've calculated what they're sending to the PL in December, know they are so far over that they realistically won't be able to appeal their way out of it, and realise they need to make up more points than they thought

 

[knowing your history]

Yeah what they spend now definitely won't impact this season, but PSR might partly explain their decision to do it now. Maybe they've calculated what they're sending to the PL in December, know they are so far over that they realistically won't be able to appeal their way out of it, and realise they need to make up more points than they thought

What charge is this as they bypassed the first one on a technicality. We saw last season the second charge gets smaller punishment with four points taken off and Forest also had four points taken off so it won't be a significant deduction for Leicester if they do actually get points taken off.

Think their next three home games are West Ham, Brighton and Wolves so that's probably why they've ditched Cooper as they could win two of those.

 

[mikel_88]

Yeah what they spend now definitely won't impact this season, but PSR might partly explain their decision to do it now. Maybe they've calculated what they're sending to the PL in December, know they are so far over that they realistically won't be able to appeal their way out of it, and realise they need to make up more points than they thought

Also if go down screwed anyways aint they

 

[windymiller]

No I didn’t support it. Honestly just learn to read please.

So they did drop the ball? You seem conflicted on this issue.

 

[Saint Domingo]

So they did drop the ball? You seem conflicted on this issue.

Please learn to read

 

[Harryflashman]

Wolves and Forest look like games we have to get 4-6 points from. Both at home.

Rest of December feels like a couple of draws at best

Feels like a huge ask given our current form and actual performances

 

[windymiller]

Please learn to read

So they didn't drop the ball, but you don't support their decision. What exactly is your point regarding their competence?

P.S. I checked and the majority of their current board were also on the board when they won the league and even more were on the board when they won the FA cup, so you might want to try some of that reading you're always advocating yourself sometime.

 

[Saint Domingo]

So they didn't drop the ball, but you don't support their decision. What exactly is your point regarding their competence?

P.S. I checked and the majority of their current board were also on the board when they won the league and even more were on the board when they won the FA cup, so you might want to try some of that reading you're always advocating yourself sometime.

Please just try reading

 

[Carlito]

If TFG are watching the games, he'll be gone the moment they take over.

If he's allowed to continue, he'll take us down.

 

[Gilbert..]

The thing that really hits you is every single team in this league looks like it wants to improve. Wether they do or not is another matter. But the intent is there. Be that trying to adjust a style of play that encourages fullbacks to be part of the attack. Midfielders who can travel with the ball esp on the counter. Managers who want to coach players to express and not be afraid to play. Even the clubs currently below us actively are trying to push this.
Then you've got Everton. And Sean Dyche. And its the same stagnated style and approach every week. The sort of manager who thinks if you stare someone out in the tunnel you'll intimidate them and half the jobs done.
Everton are the only club i see in this division that on the pitch side are not even trying to get any better.

 

[Carlito]

The thing that really hits you is every single team in this league looks like it wants to improve. Wether they do or not is another matter. But the intent is there. Be that trying to adjust a style of play that encourages fullbacks to be part of the attack. Midfielders who can travel with the ball esp on the counter. Managers who want to coach players to express and not be afraid to play. Even the clubs currently below us actively are trying to push this.
Then you've got Everton. And Sean Dyche. And its the same stagnated style and approach every week. The sort of manager who thinks if you stare someone out in the tunnel you'll intimidate them and half the jobs done.
Everton are the only club i see in this division that on the pitch side are not even trying to get any better.

The lack of quality coaching is evident in every game.

The only time I've thought the other team looked equally basic was Leicester, and they've already got rid of the manager responsible.

 

[NathDogg]

Wolves and Forest look like games we have to get 4-6 points from. Both at home.

Rest of December feels like a couple of draws at best

This, can’t see it the way we’re playing, but we have to start winning home games.

Wolves had an horrendous set of fixtures to start the season, a bit like our upcoming run - they have far too much quality and a manager who is trying to win games - look how they approached the 10 men at Fulham versus how we did it?

Forest will be fine too, and probably too much for our bravehearts

Feels like a huge ask given our current form and actual performances

This also, their is nothing in this team or coming from the bench currently to make me think otherwise.

When you are consistently told you are a crap footballer that’s all you will ever be, and that’s all dyche does - talk the club and players down.

 

[Harryflashman]

When you are consistently told you are a crap footballer that’s all you will ever be, and that’s all dyche does - talk the club and players down.

I appreciate everyone responds to motivation differently but thinking back to times when I’ve worked for ‘a manager ‘ or leader then if that had been their attitude to me for an extended period of time I suspect you’d get the square root of naff all out of me

 

[NathDogg]

I appreciate everyone responds to motivation differently but thinking back to times when I’ve worked for ‘a manager ‘ or leader then if that had been their attitude to me for an extended period of time I suspect you’d get the square root of naff all out of me

Exactly this mate, I’ve been there myself, and it would also depend on the leader who’s talking that way.

It doesn’t exactly inspire you to deliver your best, or it didn’t for me personally, so I doubt it would go down to well with prima-donna professional footballers.

They may listen to and react positively to someone like Don Carlo, Simeone, Pep, Sir Alex or Jose Mourinho telling them they are absolutely useless footballers, and thus perhaps play a little better?

Not sure that tactic will work for the miracle worker and football luminary Sean Dyche however.

 

[Titus Shambles]

You have to look at the situation he inherited in 22/23. It was a weaker squad than Lampard had given Gordon was sold and not replaced. He at least decided to bring back Doucs which was an inspired decision with his goals in the run in.

I think the problem now is his sterile set up has passed its sell by date with the squad and crowd and people are just bored and the season is just comprising now of endless low scoring draws and defeats while the other bottom teams are starting to regularly pick up points (Ipswich, Wolves).

With the Leicester managerial change this is a very dangerous part of the season and could end December firmly in the bottom three with the next manager having a big challenge to keep the club up.

That's the problem with giving him another five games imo. Personally I'd have already sacked him like Leicester have done with Cooper. I struggle to see how he survives not beating Wolves as Goodison will turn big time on the final whistle if that's a poor result/performance.

I was thinking the absolute only positive (I use that word loosely) to a disasterous December is it could force the Friedkins to act; we bring in an actual half compentent manager to galavize the team for the second half of the season where we still have to play Leics & Ipswich & Saints & West Ham at home, Palace & Wolves & Brentford away.

IF a new manager can get the team performing to at least the level it should be capable of, and we do out jobs in just those games alone, there shoud be enough points from the teams likey to be around us to take a big step to safety. If Dyche is still here, or it goes the other way, it's curtains.