The next manager appointment (new thread)

[Dymak]

i mean therye situation is entirely different

It is. They’re potentially looking at giving the boot to a manager that was only hired a a few weeks ago, and will cost them a considerable amount in compensation should they fire him.

West Ham are also not really under the threat of relegation. Not yet anyway. They can still score goals and they recently went to Newcastle and won away from home.

Further, any manager joining West Ham is not going to have a big budget, especially if they’re having to pay substantial compensation to managers. I would expect Everton to have a bigger budget than West Ham in both January and over the next few years.

 

[Blue peter]

Its outside the box. You have to applaud that if true.

Where most of our low volume of shots come from

 

[riddick]

It is. They’re potentially looking at giving the boot to a manager that was only hired a a few weeks ago, and will cost them a considerable amount in compensation should they fire him.

West Ham are also not really under the threat of relegation. Not yet anyway. They can still score goals and they recently went to Newcastle and won away from home.

Further, any manager joining West Ham is not going to have a big budget, especially if they’re having to pay substantial compensation to managers. I would expect Everton to have a bigger budget than West Ham in both January and over the next few years.

Isn't half the reason we're broke because we kept on sacking managers? Don't get how other clubs have no issues with doing that.

 

[Harryflashman]

I don't think Lee Carsley would take the job. [Edit] Maybe, on interim. But he's never been one for a permanent managerial role. I'm sure he spoke about not wanting to be a manager/prefers wider development roles.

I reckon he’d take it but I think he’d want a structure around him to allow him to do the coaching he wants . I’m not having he’s deep in talks though, think he’s still contracted to the FA and we’ve still got a manager . Not saying conversations don’t happen but the Chat about repeated interviews just doesn’t ring true given the circumstances.

 

[cantlivewithem]

Mate WE aren't picking the next head coach...if rumours are true Thelwell has apparently interviewed Carsley its because he believes he's rightly or wrongly the man for the job.

Thelwell isn't an Evertonian and won't approaching the next appointment on the old bring a blues home nonsense all Evertonians have been conditioned with under Kenwright.

If Carsley gets appointed its because they think he's the right coach to turn it around...nothing more.

I typed we in capitals by error, i wasn't talking about us as fans, i was talking about we as in the club. My point was that the club may think he is a good appointment based on his record so far but Southgate is our 2nd most successful manager in terms of achievements. Only second to Ramsey because Alf won a trophy. But he could argued to be the best because he has two final appearances and a 4th place. But we all know England achieved what did in spite of him not because of him. We should have won Euro 2020 but for his game management. We should have got to the final of World Cup 2018 but for the same reason. In terms of Win percentage he is 4th overall. but Allardyce and Carsley are ahead him but have both only had minimal games. The only one above him with any considerable amount of games is CApello who managed 2 1/2 times less the amount of games Southgate did. So there is strong case statistically to say he is the best England Manager of all time. But we know that is rubbish and we wouldnt want him managing our club

Carsley has limited managerial experience and would be too much of a risk for my liking. I would love to have him and he be a roaring success but because of the predicament we are in we need to limit risks where we can. I wouldnt want the next manager of Everton to be anyone who has not got a good track record at more than one club. Mike walker was brilliant at Norwich but lousy for use, similarly Walter Smith who was excellent at Rangers but not with us. I would feel more reassured if I knew the next manager was a little more proven

 

[Exeter_Gently]

Don't think he'd take it mate, unless interim with a view to different role.

Also one thing we don't know as yet is

I typed we in capitals by error, i wasn't talking about us as fans, i was talking about we as in the club. My point was that the club may think he is a good appointment based on his record so far but Southgate is our 2nd most successful manager in terms of achievements. Only second to Ramsey because Alf won a trophy. But he could argued to be the best because he has two final appearances and a 4th place. But we all England achieved what did in spite of him not because of him. We should have won Euro 2020 but for his game management. We should have got to the final of World Cup 2018 but for the same reason. In terms of Win percentage he is 4th overall. but Allardyce and Carsley are ahead him but have both only had minimal games. The only one above him with any considerable amount of games is CApello who managed 2 1/2 times less the amount of game Southgate did. So there is strong case statistically to say he is the best England Manager of all time. But we know that is rubbish and we wouldnt want him managing our club

Carsley has limited managerial experience and would be too much of a risk for my liking. I would love to have him and he be a roaring success but because of the predicament we are in we need to limit risks where we can. I wouldnt want the next manager of Everton to be anyone who has not got a good track record at more than one club. Mike walker was brilliant at Norwich but lousy for use, similarly Walter Smith who was excellent at Rangers but not with use. I would feel more reassured if I knew the next manager was a little more proven

That's fair cop mate...anyone in particular you'd be looking to bring in?

 

[matty1878]

Does he currently manage a club in Argentina

nope!

 

[matty1878]

It is. They’re potentially looking at giving the boot to a manager that was only hired a a few weeks ago, and will cost them a considerable amount in compensation should they fire him.

West Ham are also not really under the threat of relegation. Not yet anyway. They can still score goals and they recently went to Newcastle and won away from home.

Further, any manager joining West Ham is not going to have a big budget, especially if they’re having to pay substantial compensation to managers. I would expect Everton to have a bigger budget than West Ham in both January and over the next few years.

that’s it mate they aren’t in a mess like us and have spent big

and i also think we are the better prospect

 

[Dymak]

Isn't half the reason we're broke because we kept on sacking managers? Don't get how other clubs have no issues with doing that.

They do have issues with it, especially clubs like West Ham, as it can cause considerable expense that would have otherwise been unnecessary without the need to sack.

However people need to get real with regards to a manager’s shelf-life or longevity in the PL. Most managers start struggling after two years imo, and it’s simply not the norm to have managers do well over 5 years or more.

Even Emery is on a 7 match winless run right now, and I doubt that Villa’s objectives for the season will be fulfilled. Pep is also on an almighty bad run at present. Neither of these elite level managers are facing the sack any time soon, but to expect the level of manager beneath the elite to successfully complete five year contracts or whatever is fanciful imo.

A new manager comes in, hopefully there is a new manager bounce and they can bring in some progress over a 2 or 3 year period. But their influence and effectiveness begins to wain after a couple of years, just like we are seeing with Dyche right now.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I reckon he’d take it but I think he’d want a structure around him to allow him to do the coaching he wants . I’m not having he’s deep in talks though, think he’s still contracted to the FA and we’ve still got a manager . Not saying conversations don’t happen but the Chat about repeated interviews just doesn’t ring true given the circumstances.

Hadn't seen anything about he's in talks?

 

[Harryflashman]

Hadn't seen anything about he's in talks?

Just various posts and internet chat , stating he’s been interviewed by Thelwell etc . Personally I find that unlikely , I wouldn’t be shocked to find TFG had sounded out a few people here and there but anything too formal feels a stretch but I’m a bloke with too much time on my hands posting on forum .

 

[Lanolin]

Okay @Lanolin @SuperKev91, a more recent example..

Alonso at Leverkusen?

Moving the conversation to a more appropriate thread... I don't know what point you're trying to make here? Good managers can make a difference to how a squad performs, this is not being disputed. As I have said numerous times now, I even made this distinction in the original post. I believe somebody could get more out of our the squad than Dyche is at the moment, I just think that they would still be rubbish even if they were performing at their best. Managers aren't magicians, if you're a brilliant manager you can get the players performing to the very best of their ability, but if the very best of their ability is crap then you'll still be crap. It's not really that difficult to follow.

 

[Eggs]

….i suspect we’ve interviewed a number of candidates, my concern is who’s reportedly doing the interviews.

 

[everton1953]

West Ham announced they are reviewing their management situation this coming weekend. By then we will be firmly in the bottom 3. How likely are we to be reviewing our manager's position? I have a fear that we are paralysed.

 

[kenada_blue]

I typed we in capitals by error, i wasn't talking about us as fans, i was talking about we as in the club. My point was that the club may think he is a good appointment based on his record so far but Southgate is our 2nd most successful manager in terms of achievements. Only second to Ramsey because Alf won a trophy. But he could argued to be the best because he has two final appearances and a 4th place. But we all know England achieved what did in spite of him not because of him. We should have won Euro 2020 but for his game management. We should have got to the final of World Cup 2018 but for the same reason. In terms of Win percentage he is 4th overall. but Allardyce and Carsley are ahead him but have both only had minimal games. The only one above him with any considerable amount of games is CApello who managed 2 1/2 times less the amount of games Southgate did. So there is strong case statistically to say he is the best England Manager of all time. But we know that is rubbish and we wouldnt want him managing our club

Carsley has limited managerial experience and would be too much of a risk for my liking. I would love to have him and he be a roaring success but because of the predicament we are in we need to limit risks where we can. I wouldnt want the next manager of Everton to be anyone who has not got a good track record at more than one club. Mike walker was brilliant at Norwich but lousy for use, similarly Walter Smith who was excellent at Rangers but not with us. I would feel more reassured if I knew the next manager was a little more proven

It's pressure and the situation.

Carsley would work well at say a Brighton or Southampton where they've solid foundations, good academy, and there's no real pressure from above saying "you need to finish here" or "you have to get us clear of relegation".

I always felt Walker came from a similar situation. No pressure at Norwich and he had a miracle season with them. Then moves on to a side who 6 years prior just won the league and we're one of the main power teams in forming the PL in 92 looking to challenge again. Two completely different worlds.