The Moyes question

[JobForTheMoyes]

No, don't pool me with your own perceptions.

I have watched Everton for 30 years, Ive been through the Moyes era initially and again now.

The fella has a ceiling which falls far below where I think the current structure takes us. Not basing on the squad, basing on how ive seen us perform.

He won West Ham a cup, but how much did he spend to do it? For me, I don't want us to br trigger happy, i want to to be looking and finding the right man for our current model, who can be here long term and build something special.

"He cares about us", isnt what I want. I want someone who will bring us success. I'm very upbeat about our future, but I want a manager who will take us to next level.

Logic - “Just can not see us pushing on and becoming a European challenger with him at the helm” in one breath and moaning about how much he spent at win at West Ham to win the a European trophy!

He managed to get West Ham into Europe three years straight, reaching a semi, winning a pot and then going out to the form team in Europe in the quarters.

 

[davids]

Logic - “Just can not see us pushing on and becoming a European challenger with him at the helm” in one breath and moaning about how much he spent at win at West Ham to win the a European trophy!

He managed to get West Ham into Europe three years straight, reaching a semi, winning a pot and then going out to the form team in Europe in the quarters.

And the waiter won multiple European pots.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

And the waiter won multiple European pots.

And?

 

[barneygumble]

Logic - “Just can not see us pushing on and becoming a European challenger with him at the helm” in one breath and moaning about how much he spent at win at West Ham to win the a European trophy!

He managed to get West Ham into Europe three years straight, reaching a semi, winning a pot and then going out to the form team in Europe in the quarters.

By the same token, Oliver Glasner (who will be out of contract, btw), has spent nothing, lost key players yet hes won a european pot, and then won Palace a trophy for the first time ever.

Hes not spent loads of money and had Palace playing excellent football to boot. Turned players like Mateta, Hughes into competent footballers.

Its not the clowns in charge now. You can think outside the box and actually want more than Moyes. We have revenues to do something, to actually sell a project to attract better.

Its a prime time for us to look for the right man. If they can't find it, let him run his contract down, shake his hand, and thank him for his tenure.

 

[NeilMorepies]

Moyes is doing all right for a manager with £100M+to spend, rather than having to sell his best players and still suffer points deductions like previous have had to do.

That said, Sean Dyche has more wins in Europe this season…

 

[Rita_Poon]

Moyes is doing all right for a manager with £100M+to spend, rather than having to sell his best players like previous have had to do.

That said, Sean Dyche has more wins in Europe this season…

He couldn't sell them, the loans went back (apart from Alcaraz) and the players out of contract walked. Lost 19 players, got in 9, of which two were keepers and one is a high profile loan.

The scale of the job, the depth of the cracks in the foundations, all seems so easily forgotten.

 

[NeilMorepies]

He couldn't sell them, the loans went back (apart from Alcaraz) and the players out of contract walked. Lost 19 players, got in 9, of which two were keepers and one is a high profile loan.

The scale of the job, the depth of the cracks in the foundations, all seems so easily forgotten.

I agree. Davey had the luxury of letting the dross players he didn’t like leave, whereas previous managers would have had to renew their contracts due to the lack of cheaper options.

Moyes now has a squad containing mainly players he wants. Something previous managers never had.

 

[Rita_Poon]

I agree. Davey had the luxury of letting the dross players he didn’t like leave, whereas previous managers would have had to renew their contracts due to the lack of cheaper options.

Moyes now has a squad containing mainly players he wants. Something previous managers never had.

I was getting to the point that although money has been spent, it has been to cover a lot of what we have lost, not add to what we had.
The old 'one step forwards, two steps back' situation.

 

[bicycleheader]

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No Rita, the Daveks definitely have no rhythm

 

[Rita_Poon]

No Rita, the Daveks definitely have no rhythm

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[Vaughan]

city on saturday is the first time since he arrived that we’ve been out of a game

every other loss we’ve had (not been many) we’ve been in it to the last minute

changed the club around, saved us from either relegation, or staying up in 17th (only because the other 3 were beyond bad) and having a very miserable end to our last season at goodison

two years to stabilise us and get us competing for europe again. would love Carsley to take over but feel its unlikely due to his personal circumstances

 

[Drico]

Moyes is competent, should stay until the summer, and be replaced there and then. He was here for stability. If we are 12th in the summer, his work here is done. If we are lower, he's definitely done.

Now, if he somehow starts winning at places he's failed to win at in 48 attempts and drives us into Europe or wins the FA Cup, well, only a churl would call for his head.

In truth, all really depends on the ambition of our owners. If they are truly ambitious, they'll have a successor in mind for next summer. One worth replacing Moyes with. If they don't...

 

[barneygumble]

city on saturday is the first time since he arrived that we’ve been out of a game

every other loss we’ve had (not been many) we’ve been in it to the last minute

changed the club around, saved us from either relegation, or staying up in 17th (only because the other 3 were beyond bad) and having a very miserable end to our last season at goodison

two years to stabilise us and get us competing for europe again. would love Carsley to take over but feel its unlikely due to his personal circumstances

Wolves in the cup was an abomination and completely disrespectful to the away fans, the way he made the changes.

Appreciate the sentiment, but just do not agree.

Wolves away was our most complete performance. Rode our luck against Brighton, struggled against a poor Villa, couldnt beat a dire West Ham.

Appreciate last season, but i just feel the Wolves-West Ham salvo completely sapped the feel gpod put of the club.

Howe, Emery have proven ypu can skip stablising and go straight to the elite.

 

[everton1953]

Bin this thread. One Moyed thread is quite enough.

 

[Efcjake]

Wolves in the cup was an abomination and completely disrespectful to the away fans, the way he made the changes.

Appreciate the sentiment, but just do not agree.

Wolves away was our most complete performance. Rode our luck against Brighton, struggled against a poor Villa, couldnt beat a dire West Ham.

Appreciate last season, but i just feel the Wolves-West Ham salvo completely sapped the feel gpod put of the club.

Howe, Emery have proven ypu can skip stablising and go straight to the elite.

How much did they spend?

400 million since 2022 for Emery.

785 for Howe is why I see online.