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[edge]

white van man rings a bell...that was her? badly snobbish comment that were.

there's a theory, even from some pro-Corbyns, that Jeremy's quite happy in opposition, playing that government-antagoniser role...

think Corbyn is ok when i listen to him, dont think although i might be wrong that he actually has some moral fibre about his beliefs, i dont mind McDonnell either for the same reasons.
but do i think he can win an election,no
i find it hard to get behind some he surrounds himself with but am i going to vote for him after all.that yes.
I fear the Tories will ditch May at some point, and that will be game over as far as getting Labour in power,they couldn't beat her last time, they are behind in the polls when any half decent party should be miles ahead, not looking good at all.

 

[summerisle]

Latest poll.

 

[zzr45]

Corbyn really is that unpopular with the wider population isn’t he? Being behind in the polls to this government takes some doing.

One feels the particularly Hard Left economic policies suggested by the goblin might not help.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Latest poll.

Fear not we are not in purdah period where the media has to behave and report equally, like the last election, the weeks and months before it was called, polls had labour miles behind, such was the confidence May called it and 60 to 100 seat majority was eagerly predicted as fact, the rest is history.

The evening standard, just as well the editorial has no bias!

 

[dholliday]

Corbyn really is that unpopular with the wider population isn’t he? Being behind in the polls to this government takes some doing.

One feels the particularly Hard Left economic policies suggested by the goblin might not help.

which policies do you mean, zee?

 

[zzr45]

which policies do you mean, zee?

The shared ownership model within private companies is the major one. It’s covered in depth by people on here (that weren’t Russian bots) it’s a scheme that is essentially theft and plays lip service to the people it’s supposed to help. ‘Increased Democracy’ in the work place also sent a few shudders up spines of people I know that were working in the height of the Union days.

 

[dholliday]

The shared ownership model within private companies is the major one. It’s covered in depth by people on here (that weren’t Russian bots) it’s a scheme that is essentially theft and plays lip service to the people it’s supposed to help. ‘Increased Democracy’ in the work place also sent a few shudders up spines of people I know that were working in the height of the Union days.

nice one for being specific, i'll look into them...out of interest who were the russian bots?

 

[Number_25]

The shared ownership model within private companies is the major one. It’s covered in depth by people on here (that weren’t Russian bots) it’s a scheme that is essentially theft and plays lip service to the people it’s supposed to help. ‘Increased Democracy’ in the work place also sent a few shudders up spines of people I know that were working in the height of the Union days.

Beep boop beep.

 

[roydo]

The shared ownership model within private companies is the major one. It’s covered in depth by people on here (that weren’t Russian bots) it’s a scheme that is essentially theft and plays lip service to the people it’s supposed to help. ‘Increased Democracy’ in the work place also sent a few shudders up spines of people I know that were working in the height of the Union days.

Not just me then.

 

[tsubaki]

The shared ownership model within private companies is the major one. It’s covered in depth by people on here (that weren’t Russian bots) it’s a scheme that is essentially theft and plays lip service to the people it’s supposed to help. ‘Increased Democracy’ in the work place also sent a few shudders up spines of people I know that were working in the height of the Union days.

It has certainly been briefed heavily against, but why that is deemed as theft and yet (for example) executive pay going up irrespective of a firms performance or selling off a firms assets to artificially boost its profits (and get bonuses thereby) isn’t tells us everything about how shareholders are actually viewed. The small shareholders of the kind Governments like to pretend the market works for are treated and have been treated for years with contempt.

Then you come to the whole notion of compulsory purchase, which is often far worse than what you claim Corbyn is up to and which often occurs for worse reasons (so another firm can make more money, for example).

 

[PhilM]

Corbyn really is that unpopular with the wider population isn’t he? Being behind in the polls to this government takes some doing.

One feels the particularly Hard Left economic policies suggested by the goblin might not help.

I'm not sure if it is merely a fact of Corbyn being unpopular, but rather I perceived that for the majority he is an unrealistic choice due to a number of reasons.

That's not saying that the Conservatives are themselves a popular or suitable choice, however perhaps for many it's a scenario of better the devil you know.

For all their numerous faults, I still believe that the Conservative party under May are offering more central-aligned policies than Corbyn and the Labour party.

That's where the majority of people will place their vote. Yes there's elements (a few) that are more right-wing, yet in the mainstay it's perhaps more appealing.

I wasn't a fan of Blair in the slightest - for multiple reasons - yet I could quite easily imagine that they would wipe the floor with May and her obvious failings!

 

[zzr45]

It has certainly been briefed heavily against, but why that is deemed as theft and yet (for example) executive pay going up irrespective of a firms performance or selling off a firms assets to artificially boost its profits (and get bonuses thereby) isn’t tells us everything about how shareholders are actually viewed. The small shareholders of the kind Governments like to pretend the market works for are treated and have been treated for years with contempt.

Then you come to the whole notion of compulsory purchase, which is often far worse than what you claim Corbyn is up to and which often occurs for worse reasons (so another firm can make more money, for example).

I was referring to McDonnell rather than Corbyn, Corbyn does have some redeeming features to him.

As I said, it got a fairly length debate at the time when it was News and @roydo argued the point against it far more eloquently than I can, so I’m not going to cover a worn path. Like you say there are examples of extreme corporate greed, but I don’t think a government should be able to push in and take privately owned assets (in this case shares etc.) I support a strong separation between the Government and Private ownership, so I’m unlikely to ever see it any other way.

 

[zzr45]

I'm not sure if it is merely a fact of Corbyn being unpopular, but rather I perceived that for the majority he is an unrealistic choice due to a number of reasons.

That's not saying that the Conservatives are themselves a popular or suitable choice, however perhaps for many it's a scenario of better the devil you know.

For all their numerous faults, I still believe that the Conservative party under May are offering more central-aligned policies than Corbyn and the Labour party.

That's where the majority of people will place their vote. Yes there's elements (a few) that are more right-wing, yet in the mainstay it's perhaps more appealing.

I wasn't a fan of Blair in the slightest - for multiple reasons - yet I could quite easily imagine that they would wipe the floor with May and her obvious failings!

Probably the best summation in a long while.

 

[tsubaki]

I'm not sure if it is merely a fact of Corbyn being unpopular, but rather I perceived that for the majority he is an unrealistic choice due to a number of reasons.

That's not saying that the Conservatives are themselves a popular or suitable choice, however perhaps for many it's a scenario of better the devil you know.

For all their numerous faults, I still believe that the Conservative party under May are offering more central-aligned policies than Corbyn and the Labour party.

That's where the majority of people will place their vote. Yes there's elements (a few) that are more right-wing, yet in the mainstay it's perhaps more appealing.

I wasn't a fan of Blair in the slightest - for multiple reasons - yet I could quite easily imagine that they would wipe the floor with May and her obvious failings!

I agree that people generally vote for what they know, but the issue there is that in many issues people lack the knowledge to know anything.

Look at fracking, which is from any viewpoint daft to do at the present time and yet the debate and people’s reaction to it are framed in terms of jobs, energy bills etc.

 

[PhilM]

I agree that people generally vote for what they know, but the issue there is that in many issues people lack the knowledge to know anything.

Maybe that's why the centralist view is often successful. If Corbyn wants to be successful, it is therefore his responsibility to educate those in the electorate?

Unless he's able to successfully convince the voters that his views are suitable and/or viable, then I don't think he will ever be able to win.