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[neil999]

Well you are assuming that services will improve, they might, they might not. The income (note, not tax) the Government make from their theft may well be cancelled out by lower tax takes in the wider country.

Factually, folk will be forced to give over 10% of their shares, for free.

absolutely, but i assume you agree with taxation on some level?

 

[roydo]

absolutely, but i assume you agree with taxation on some level?

Where have I said I dont? The only comments I have made have been about the plan to steal other peoples shares, which isnt taxation.

 

[neil999]

Where have I said I dont? The only comments I have made have been about the plan to steal other peoples shares, which isnt taxation.

same thing isnt it?(i may have came into the debate halfway through and i think its getting mixed up with general debate on taxation, so sorry if i have mistaken your intentions)

 

[roydo]

same thing isnt it?(i may have came into the debate halfway through and i think its getting mixed up with general debate on taxation, so sorry if i have mistaken your intentions)

No, its not the same thing at all. Taxation is equal for all, as in everyone pays the same rate(s), This plan will take 10% of the value of some folks savings, with no recompense and without their agreement. That is theft.

 

[Number_25]

No, its not the same thing at all. Taxation is equal for all, as in everyone pays the same rate(s), This plan will take 10% of the value of some folks savings, with no recompense and without their agreement. That is theft.

(No it isn't)

Edit: JESUS MY SPELLING

 

[roydo]

(No it isn't)

Edit: JESUS MY SPELLING

Ok then. You own £1000 of shares you have paid for via an employers scheme and work for a company which employs 249 people.

I own exactly the same amount, but work for a company employing 251 people. I have £100 taken off me, you dont.

Theft.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I'm unable to achieve the same sort of widespread socioeconomic reforms as the state.

I apologise that I'm a failure.

Not really the point. It's morally hard to ask (or force via taxation) people to do something you wouldn't do voluntarily yourself. (sorry, not sure why that got cut off)

 

[magicjuan]

Not really the point. It's morally hard to ask (or force via taxation) people to do something you

The Russians reach GOT...

 

[Number_25]

Not really the point. It's morally hard to ask (or force via taxation) people to do something you

it really isn't.

 

[JordanGT4]

business is just going to see this as a government not afraid of telling them how to run their businesses. Both the policies on journalism and policies on this 10% goes to workers is anti-business and will hurt the economy

 

[tsubaki]

I agree. The short term bonus structures, seemingly pretty straight forward targets to boot, are at immoral levels. Its crept into civil service and quango land as well,

In quangoland and the civil service it just graft, but in business it actively destroys firms.

Take the "death of the High Street" for example - which we are told is thanks to Amazon and the internet, but the reality is that a very large part of it is down to the leaseback trend of about 20-30 years ago where stores sold off the premises they owned and occupied (in many cases for decades) and then leased them back. The result was they looked more profitable, bonuses were paid and the firms lost the opportunity to look at what they could do to actually make money (ie: look at emerging technology like the internet).

 

[peteblue]

I'm unable to achieve the same sort of widespread socioeconomic reforms as the state.

I apologise that I'm a failure.

I should bleeding well think so, you sodding failure.......

 

[peteblue]

Ok then. You own £1000 of shares you have paid for via an employers scheme and work for a company which employs 249 people.

I own exactly the same amount, but work for a company employing 251 people. I have £100 taken off me, you dont.

Theft.

Talking of theft, I’m buying a commercial property and stamp duty is payable both on the actual price and the bloody VAT. Now that is absolute theft........

 

[TheFinnFan]

Oasis doesnt seem to heart Corbyn

 

[zzr45]

Take the "death of the High Street" for example - which we are told is thanks to Amazon and the internet, but the reality is that a very large part of it is down to the leaseback trend of about 20-30 years ago where stores sold off the premises they owned and occupied (in many cases for decades) and then leased them back. The result was they looked more profitable, bonuses were paid and the firms lost the opportunity to look at what they could do to actually make money (ie: look at emerging technology like the internet).

Ahh. So, that’s wonderful and all, but what about small independent businesses that never owned their shops, or did and still went to the wall? The entire way people shopped changed with the advent of the internet (and arguably longer opening hours/Sunday shopping/minimum wage which meant smaller businesses were always going to struggle). Blaming it on short term greed is probably the most reductionist argument ever.