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at the equivalent point of 2017 pete, it was 11-23 points

The difference is that Corbyn was new and popular in the nice weather against May who had the charisma of a wet fish. Boris is a popular politician, now the only leader saying that the referendum will be actioned. In 2017 the polls for the Tories started high and continued to drop, while Corbyn’s started low and continued to close the gap. This time the Tories started low and continue to grow. The 8% you quote was 5% in the previous poll using your source, ‘momentum’ is with Boris. It could of course all change when the TV stuff starts, but I would guess that Boris will nail that too as he has had a lot of recent experience with his own election. Unless there is a seismic event or the Tories shoot themselves in the foot (a la May and her manifesto) Boris will walk this......
 
The difference is that Corbyn was new and popular in the nice weather against May who had the charisma of a wet fish. Boris is a popular politician, now the only leader saying that the referendum will be actioned. In 2017 the polls for the Tories started high and continued to drop, while Corbyn’s started low and continued to close the gap. This time the Tories started low and continue to grow. The 8% you quote was 5% in the previous poll using your source, ‘momentum’ is with Boris. It could of course all change when the TV stuff starts, but I would guess that Boris will nail that too as he has had a lot of recent experience with his own election. Unless there is a seismic event or the Tories shoot themselves in the foot (a la May and her manifest) Boris will walk this......

not really, pete. The polls went up for the Tories after the election was called, but went down when the manifesto started to unravel:

850px-Opinion_polling_UK_2017_election_short_axis.png


how both manifestos are received is the next test
 
The difference is that Corbyn was new and popular in the nice weather against May who had the charisma of a wet fish. Boris is a popular politician, now the only leader saying that the referendum will be actioned. In 2017 the polls for the Tories started high and continued to drop, while Corbyn’s started low and continued to close the gap. This time the Tories started low and continue to grow. The 8% you quote was 5% in the previous poll using your source, ‘momentum’ is with Boris. It could of course all change when the TV stuff starts, but I would guess that Boris will nail that too as he has had a lot of recent experience with his own election. Unless there is a seismic event or the Tories shoot themselves in the foot (a la May and her manifesto) Boris will walk this......
You have a point there Pete , this election could come down to one moment that defines this election, either Johnson or Corbyn drops the ball, or one of those around them.
 
not really, pete. The polls went up for the Tories after the election was called, but went down when the manifesto started to unravel:

850px-Opinion_polling_UK_2017_election_short_axis.png


how both manifestos are received is the next test

Both will offer everything to everyone. Then the Tories will claim that Corbyn has an unfunded madcap plan to give free internet and dental checks to the rich and Billionaires, while ruining the pension funds of the poor, and Corbyn will claim that Boris is selling the NHS to Trump. May made a total mess of her manifesto which deliberately upset her own supporters. It may happen, but I can’t believe that Boris will make the same mistake....but we will see.....
 
You have a point there Pete , this election could come down to one moment that defines this election, either Johnson or Corbyn drops the ball, or one of those around them.

Or an event that noone has control over - the two terror attacks of the last election didn't have much of a measureable effect, but if Grenfell had happened two weeks before it did then that could have radically changed that result.
 
Both will offer everything to everyone. Then the Tories will claim that Corbyn has an unfunded madcap plan to give free internet and dental checks to the rich and Billionaires, while ruining the pension funds of the poor, and Corbyn will claim that Boris is selling the NHS to Trump. May made a total mess of her manifesto which deliberately upset her own supporters. It may happen, but I can’t believe that Boris will make the same mistake....but we will see.....

This is a fair point. There was one single mistake in the May manifesto, where they took a massive attack on their core voting group. They then refused to amend the policy. Then partly amended it. Then said they hadn't amended it. They were also so cautious of anyone outside of Nick Timothy they weren't even briefing favourable right wing journalists, so the chaos couldn't be smoothed over in the Mail and the Telegraph.

The question may be, will lots of singular mistakes have as big an impact as the one central one last year?

I do get the same sense from Johnson's plan that things aren't really going to play for him as with May, (which I didn't get from Cameron in 2015) but I sense he's a bit more adaptable than her.

The focus gets more intense once the manifestos are out. That was the big turning point for Labour last time. Forget the Oh Jeremy Corbyn chants, or the big rallies, the manifesto made a huge difference. The Conservatives were unable to paint it as unrealistic.

I will go on to say, if they don't want to start plummeting again, they will need to make it seem unrealistic. It's more ambitious this time, so certainly more opportunities to do so. If they fail though, and people get a hint that lottos the manifesto is possible momentum could swing for Labour again.

So far though, the Tories are holding up quite well.
 
The difference is that Corbyn was new and popular in the nice weather against May who had the charisma of a wet fish. Boris is a popular politician, now the only leader saying that the referendum will be actioned. In 2017 the polls for the Tories started high and continued to drop, while Corbyn’s started low and continued to close the gap. This time the Tories started low and continue to grow. The 8% you quote was 5% in the previous poll using your source, ‘momentum’ is with Boris. It could of course all change when the TV stuff starts, but I would guess that Boris will nail that too as he has had a lot of recent experience with his own election. Unless there is a seismic event or the Tories shoot themselves in the foot (a la May and her manifesto) Boris will walk this......

This says everything you need to know about Tory voters. Given his track record, how on earth can he be "popular"???
 


Lost the plot about 6 months ago. Her and mates do the fight against antisemtism no favours whatsoever with posts like that. Hopefully the next time she goes on a chat show to say she doesn't look like your average Jew they challenge her on that t-shirt rather than nodding along like dogs.
 
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