Blundering, malicious, vindictive, venal scum. Don't sell them short, Dave.
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You sure? This explains much.
davek
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That;s still not nazism.
Please consult any definition of nazism and it won't equate to taking wrong policies in a health crisis that led to the murder of 127,000 people.
Nazism is a system: "the rejection of liberalism, democracy, the rule of law, and human rights, stressing instead the subordination of the individual to the state and the necessity of strict obedience to leaders. It emphasises the inequality of individuals and “races” and the right of the strong to rule the weak."
Call the Tories what you want, but that definition doesn't cover them.
Thanks, I will.
I don't.
Still won’t be voting for them.
Things will probably never change in this country but I’m still going to hope the Labour Party becomes the party it’s supposed to be and that doesn’t happen if people continue to vote for them because they’re not the tories.
I respect people voting that way but being from where I’am I think a massive drop in votes in my region, whilst still being a very safe seat, is a chance to make them realise they can’t abandon its core demographic.
Things will probably never change in this country but I’m still going to hope the Labour Party becomes the party it’s supposed to be and that doesn’t happen if people continue to vote for them because they’re not the tories.
I respect people voting that way but being from where I’am I think a massive drop in votes in my region, whilst still being a very safe seat, is a chance to make them realise they can’t abandon its core demographic.
…to win an election they have to attract people who voted Conservative last time. Pointless pandering to the left if the party is unelectable.
Despite the lazy rhetoric, Starmer’s Labour are not like the Conservatives. They’re moving dangerously to the right so comparisons are simply wrong even if they suit an agenda. Labour’s core vote is moderate.
We’ll see much better public services I have no doubt about that. I much prefer my Labour to be centre/left, the Blair years were the best for those like me working in the public sector. Doing a terrific job.
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They can do all this without betraying its core demographic in the way they are.
They can be centre left whilst still being true to its traditions but are they even centre left at this point?
I think the party has been hijacked over the last 30 years and duped a lot of people into thinking it has to be this way.
….i’m traditional Labour voter so I’d like to think I’m part of its ‘core demographic’ and I don’t feel in the least let down.
I think they mean 'proper' socialist Labour people, not the Shy Red Tory Centrist Dads. Their votes don't count, apparently.
*come on someone start the centrist dad war.
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I don't know how to start it, but I'll give it a go as your token forum representative of this election's media-fabricated demographic. (Someone should tell them it works better when you identify a demographic like "soccer moms" after the election.)I think they mean 'proper' socialist Labour people, not the Shy Red Tory Centrist Dads. Their votes don't count, apparently.
*come on someone start the centrist dad war.
Sure, I'm with you on regulation and tax-the-rich. I'm not with you on some aspects of social policy, and I probably don't want to pay off on every infrastructure project you want. Not that the nitty-gritty on that matters, since my votes are invariably wasted on moderate Democratic opposition to hard-right Republicans in Congress. They lose every time. Sort of like you, since Blair.
I imagine this makes me like the plastic portion of City or Chelsea support, from your perspective. A fairweather fan, who will move on to something else in a decade, unworthy of the crass pandering necessary to secure his vote.
I get it. You don't need me to put a metaphorical bullet into Sunak, and yet Starmer keeps chasing my vote. Starmer is like that [REDACTED] youth coach running up the score. You want him to display some principles, and play his kids out of position or something. This is true irrespective of whether your kid plays for or against him.
You know what? This is politics. Principles need not apply. If he can nail down +300 seats, should he not do this? Five years of locking seats down is an eternity in politics.
it doesn't matter whether Starmer is a Tory in Red clothing or a staunch progressive. He should always get the seats, then figure out what he can accomplish with them. Ignore the static of the election, judge him on what he does with a huge majority and respond accordingly.
I'm in the "Whoever wins, we'll get kicked up the backside" camp. But I hope Labour will at least polish the shoe first.
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is Elphicke not a tory loon? found her new home in the 'labour' party
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