The Everton Board Thread (Inc. Bill Kenwright / Blue Union)

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

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We dont know what he's taken out do we? He wont tell anyone. He answers to no one. Personally i'd like an answer to the "other operating costs". We won't get one though.

Yes we do, it's in the accounts - fook all.

Intimating that the OOC's are hiding money wrongly leaving the club is beyond the pale.

There's enough reason to want change without peddling shiite like that.

 

[nsno-chris]

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The one who signed the deal with kitbag? Who sold the training ground and now rents a new one? Who's morgtaged the season tickets for years to come? Who borrows money at exorbitant rates through offshore companies registered in the same building as his fellow shareholder?

CEO's responsibility; people need to understand the difference (i.e. whats allowed of them under law) between Chairman and a Chief Executive Officer. UK Corporate Governance Code (Everton will have one) identifies the roles and repsonsibilities of both parties. The Chairman will not have day-to-day handling of the business.

People need to know the difference between the 2 before all the accusations.

I have never once said Kenwright has done good for EFC in his role, but because people don't understand either the difference between the 2 roles, or they can't except a decision because 'it doesn't make sense' to them, then anyone who tries present an argument in the defence of the club is vilified

 

[kev101]

Kenwright does his best, it may not be good enough, but I'm sure it's his best.

 

[met069]

I'm not sure why people are praising Kenwright/the Board for the club's on-field success. That's down to Moyes and the players. Board's actions should be judged in isolation, not on how well the manager has adapted to limitations imposed on him.

 

[Ratkiller]

Yes we do, it's in the accounts - fook all.

Intimating that the OOC's are hiding money wrongly leaving the club is beyond the pale.

There's enough reason to want change without peddling shiite like that.

I haven't peddled anything have i?

We know nothing. He answers to no one.

I would like an explanation about the other operating costs though. The figures quoted do seem awfully high.

And no one seems to be able to give an explanation. Kenwright certainly can't.

Or maybe he just doesn't want to?

 

[Ratkiller]

CEO's responsibility; people need to understand the difference (i.e. whats allowed of them under law) between Chairman and a Chief Executive Officer. UK Corporate Governance Code (Everton will have one) identifies the roles and repsonsibilities of both parties. The Chairman will not have day-to-day handling of the business.

People need to know the difference between the 2 before all the accusations.

I have never once said Kenwright has done good for EFC in his role, but because people don't understand either the difference between the 2 roles, or they can't except a decision because 'it doesn't make sense' to them, then anyone who tries present an argument in the defence of the club is vilified

But ultimately the chief executive works FOR kenwright.

And does as he's told.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I haven't peddled anything have i?

We know nothing. He answers to no one.

I would like an explanation about the other operating costs though. The figures quoted do seem awfully high.

And no one seems to be able to give an explanation. Kenwright certainly can't.

Or maybe he just doesn't want to?

You said that we don't know what he's taken out of the club - we do.

You mentioned the OOC's on the next line, so the intimation was there.

The 'other costs' have risen in line with the turnover, they will not be hiding anything untoward. For the purposes of clarity they should give a semi detailed breakdown to a shareholder should they ask imo.

 

[Allezfan]

I'm not sure why people are praising Kenwright/the Board for the club's on-field success. That's down to Moyes and the players. Board's actions should be judged in isolation, not on how well the manager has adapted to limitations imposed on him.

The board hired Moyes and didn't sack him even after a couple of very bad seasons, they also arranged the transfers for the players, negotiated their wages, let Moyes appoint and pay the background staff and scouts who find and train them and have convinced everyone still at the club to remain there.

To a certain extent the board has to take some credit for the results on the pitch. But this is the second longest trophy drought in our history, I don't get why people are happy with the results on the pitch. "Kenwright: he gets you 7th" isn't exactly convincing me.

 

[Brennan]

I really think alarm bells should start ringing when the reasoning for keeping the current board is 'It could be worse than a 7th place trophy every year'.

 

[Ratkiller]

You said that we don't know what he's taken out of the club - we do.

You mentioned the OOC's on the next line, so the intimation was there.

The 'other costs' have risen in line with the turnover, they will not be hiding anything untoward. For the purposes of clarity they should give a semi detailed breakdown to a shareholder should they ask imo.

Kenwright was asked about the other operating costs. He said he doesn't know what they are.

Ask elstone he said.

Elstone waffled. And we're still none the wiser.

So I'll say it again.

We have no idea what is getting taken out of the club.

But I'm sure it's all entirely innocent. And they're not trying to hide something.

 

[met069]

The board hired Moyes and didn't sack him even after a couple of very bad seasons, they also arranged the transfers for the players, negotiated their wages, let Moyes appoint and pay the background staff and scouts who find and train them and have convinced everyone still at the club to remain there.

Perhaps. But such a defense of the Board essentially boils down to: "They hired Moyes and got out of his way", not exactly a ringing endorsement of the Board's competence.

 

[Allezfan]

Perhaps. But such a defense of the Board essentially boils down to: "They hired Moyes and got out of his way", not exactly a ringing endorsement of the Board's competence.

'Hiring good staff' is right up there with 'providing money' as things a good board should do. Villa, Liverpool and Sunderland are all excellent examples what happens when the board does the latter but not the former and they're all below us in the table.

The reason why Moyes, Baines, Jagielka, Fellaini, Mirallas, and Jelavic are at the club is that the board judged they would be valuable and then managed to find the resources to attract them here and then keep them here. The reason why Dzeko, Arshavin, Hazard, Moutinho, Rooney, Lescott, Arteta, Ramsey, Niang, Walker, Banaga and Rodwell aren't here despite them being players we either wanted to buy or wanted to keep is because the board couldn't find the resources to attract them here and keep them here.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Kenwright was asked about the other operating costs. He said he doesn't know what they are.

Ask elstone he said.

Elstone waffled. And we're still none the wiser.

So I'll say it again.

We have no idea what is getting taken out of the club.

But I'm sure it's all entirely innocent. And they're not trying to hide something.

Sorry, but merely by using the word 'taken' you're intimating that money is being removed.

Our accounts are audited & the expenditure that makes up the OOC's will be invoiced & accurate, nobody has 'taken' anything.

 

[nsno-chris]

But ultimately the chief executive works FOR kenwright.

And does as he's told.

No, he works for Everton FC. And no he doesn't do as he's told; he'll have an agenda of things to do (i.e. reduce costs etc), he will then be tasked to identify the best ways of doing this, his proposals will be presented to the board, along with other senior mangement figures in EFC and the most effective choice will be made.

A CEO, MD, COO or what ever phrase is used are tasked for the day-to-day running of the club.

 

[nsno-chris]

Sorry, but merely by using the word 'taken' you're intimating that money is being removed.

Our accounts are audited & the expenditure that makes up the OOC's will be invoiced & accurate, nobody has 'taken' anything.

Exactly, this isn't some cash -in-hand, under the table business. The club has to abide by certain financial rules, laws and legislation they can't just dip into the accounts and take money.

The 'Other Opertaing Costs' is like many budget lines in all businesses, its expenditure or a misc. budget line.