The Everton Board Thread (Inc. Bill Kenwright / Blue Union)

[Matt Damon]

if you truly believe that in 18 months or so, that things will start to look rosy. your deluded. those clubs with financial muscle will not allow the status quo to change so dramaticly. it will not be so simple and anyone who thinks for one minute it will, is a fool.

But this is the mistake you're making. It's not coming from the clubs. Its not coming from UEFA. It's coming from the EU.

 

[kenada_blue]

We'd certainly be closer.

Being honest right, I'm no fan of Kenwright and the board and do feel they're a bunch of complete tightarses. But I must admit that they're doing a better job than practically everyone else in the business with what they have. We're not faced with crippling debt like Leeds and Portsmouth were, and we're not faced with enormous amounts of debt like Barca, United and our red neighbours are.

And what Elstone says about the increasing difficulty to afford excellent players is entirely true, and we can see this through the ridiculous sums of money teams are paying for players and the ridiculous sums of money players are receiving in wages, which has only increased more recently with all the takeovers of Premiership clubs by the mega-rich who use these clubs as their own personal play things. For example, how many of us would pay £35m for Andy Carroll? How many of us would pay £50m for Fernando Torres?

But would we or open up more avenues to expand? More success brings more revenue and options.

Problem is, no one is willing or trusting that David Moyes could give a return on a minimal investment a few of the board could add.

And the old "were not Leeds etc" argument is very basic in the fact that everyone always remembers the outcome of what happens due to miss management. But they forget those teams actually went and won titles and silverwear.

Not saying that's what we shpuld do in the quest for success, but I find it Impossible to think that a lot of everton fans feel they we are better off doing nothing, relying on a manager to perform miracles, just so we don't end up like teams who won things trying to succeed but failed at managing finances.

The problem still lies that the current board have missed opportunities and have also refused to make calculating risks.

To cap it all off..David Moyes will not win anything with Everton. Imo. Name one team in the last 10th years that have a English domestic cup that hasn't spent money?

 

[Matt Damon]

Blackburn Rovers 2002, League cup winners.

Middlesborough, 2004, League cup winners.


The only thing to fear is fear itself.

 

[SweetJesus849]

But would we or open up more avenues to expand? More success brings more revenue and options.

Problem is, no one is willing or trusting that David Moyes could give a return on a minimal investment a few of the board could add.

And the old "were not Leeds etc" argument is very basic in the fact that everyone always remembers the outcome of what happens due to miss management. But they forget those teams actually went and won titles and silverwear.

Not saying that's what we shpuld do in the quest for success, but I find it Impossible to think that a lot of everton fans feel they we are better off doing nothing, relying on a manager to perform miracles, just so we don't end up like teams who won things trying to succeed but failed at managing finances.

The problem still lies that the current board have missed opportunities and have also refused to make calculating risks.

To cap it all off..David Moyes will not win anything with Everton. Imo. Name one team in the last 10th years that have a English domestic cup that hasn't spent money?

Yes all the teams either finished above us this year by spending millions and millions of pounds on players, probably overpaid in every case, or they spent millions and millions of pounds and now find themselves in the Championship.

However Arsenal were particularly stingy amongst these sides, and it shows. Yet the neighbours spent a colossal amount of money and it got them nowhere, if anything it led them further from success. Hence they've won nothing since 2006.

If we can't buy players, we may as well bring them through. If we can't do that then we may as well shut down the academy.

 

[sirblue57]

But this is the mistake you're making. It's not coming from the clubs. Its not coming from UEFA. It's coming from the EU.

REAL MADRID
BARCELONA
MAN UTD
CHELSEA

just four reasons why the new financial regulations will not work in the short term. clubs that are the lifeblood of the champions league and until the greed and corruption of the fifa and uefa heirachy are addressed will stop short any and all attempts to reign in the spending power of the top clubs . add to these the other clubs of the "super clubs" and see what obstacles Mr Platini etc faces.

 

[sirblue57]

Blackburn Rovers 2002, League cup winners.

Middlesborough, 2004, League cup winners.


The only thing to fear is fear itself.

oh dear, how pathetic an answer that is.

 

[Matt Damon]

REAL MADRID
BARCELONA
MAN UTD
CHELSEA

just four reasons why the new financial regulations will not work in the short term. clubs that are the lifeblood of the champions league and until the greed and corruption of the fifa and uefa heirachy are addressed will stop short any and all attempts to reign in the spending power of the top clubs . add to these the other clubs of the "super clubs" and see what obstacles Mr Platini etc faces.

BARCELONA
MAN UTD
CHELSEA

They are not bigger than the European Union.

The Commission is the same ones who fined Unilever and P&G €300million. They fined Microsoft €497million.They fined Intel €1.06billion.

All for breaches of EU competition regulations.



I think they can handle those clubs.

oh dear, how pathetic an answer that is.

Oh really?

 

[sirblue57]

yeah you seem to have more faith in this system than me. we will see who is the more foolish eh mate. i still doubt that clubs with the pulling power, will be brought to book any time soon.

 

[Matt Damon]

yeah you seem to have more faith in this system than me. we will see who is the more foolish eh mate. i still doubt that clubs with the pulling power, will be brought to book any time soon.

That's because you don't understand the system, and this new system that's coming in, and the system that the commission is threatening to bring in and that UEFA is trying to preempt.

So yeah. Lets wait and see who looks more foolish.

 

[sirblue57]

i still say, until they put a limit on player earnings, nothing will change. but whatever. after a LOTTTTTT of booze, who gives a f#######k eh? not FIFA,not UEFA, football is becoming more corrupt each season and they only ones who suffer, are the supporters. not a peoples game any more,sadly.b'stards.

 

[CarlosTheBaby]

Everton wont win a button with Kenwright, Woods, Earle, and Elstone pretending to be running things.

They are fantastic at treading water though. 10 years and counting.

 

[trigger the blue]

i still say, until they put a limit on player earnings, nothing will change. but whatever. after a LOTTTTTT of booze, who gives a f#######k eh? not FIFA,not UEFA, football is becoming more corrupt each season and they only ones who suffer, are the supporters. not a peoples game any more,sadly.b'stards.

This is so true but wont happen we the normal supporters dont count anymore its no longer the working class game, thats the reality of it all mate!
Wevew got to wait to see if the whole of football implodes!

 

[davek]

That's because you don't understand the system, and this new system that's coming in, and the system that the commission is threatening to bring in and that UEFA is trying to preempt.

So yeah. Lets wait and see who looks more foolish.

You dont understand it. The rules allow for a period of grace and wont be assessed fully until the end of the 2013/14 season. Besides that, loopholes are fully admitted to be there by UEFA concerning clubs getting around the issue of income generation through greater 'sponsorship'.

In short: dont hold your breath that this changes anything. If it did threaten the status quo the mega clubs in Europe would have dumped UEFA and gone it alone.

 

[manxtoffee]

You dont understand it. The rules allow for a period of grace and wont be assessed fully until the end of the 2013/14 season. Besides that, loopholes are fully admitted to be there by UEFA concerning clubs getting around the issue of income generation through greater 'sponsorship'.

In short: dont hold your breath that this changes anything. If it did threaten the status quo the mega clubs in Europe would have dumped UEFA and gone it alone.

The clubs' know UEFA are pretty much toothless when the push comes to the shove, so in comes the the real force, hence the European commission. I think what MD is trying to get across is getting the clout of the EC behind UEFA they WILL gradually make the changes.
Personally I think UEFA made a rod for their own backs by putting to much emphasis on the Champions League format, creating a monster it is now. They should of initially distributed the monies across the board and into their other competitions in a similar fashion to our Premier League system.

 

[davek]

The clubs' know UEFA are pretty much toothless when the push comes to the shove, so in comes the the real force, hence the European commission. I think what MD is trying to get across is getting the clout of the EC behind UEFA they WILL gradually make the changes.
Personally I think UEFA made a rod for their own backs by putting to much emphasis on the Champions League format, creating a monster it is now. They should of initially distributed the monies across the board and into their other competitions in a similar fashion to our Premier League system.

Here's the thing, though: a couple of global giants in Europe fall foul of UEFA's rules and get barred from the trough marked 'Champions League pot'. There'll be an almighty hue and cry and they'll form a breakaway continental league and wish those left behind all the best but they'll crack on from there. Even if it was just, say, Inter + Chelsea and they invited 'second tier' clubs like Valencia, Ajax, whoever...that'd be enough to devalue the CL, and there's not an awful lot the European Union can do about it. In other words, there really is no deterrent to overshooting spending/income limits. Ultimately it'd lead to the diluition of UEFA's powers if they forced the issue.