The EU deal

[roydo]

There is no prospect whatsoever of a European superstate

Really? Common currency, European Court, legislative powers over riding national parliaments, plans for common defence policy and a European army. European central bank, elected Governments "unacceptable" to the European elite, (Greece).

Pretty Super that.

 

[Tubey]

I bet you look forward to the episode when they do away with all the democratically elected heads of government, so they can start on the path to world domination.

"Right everyone, us dozen or so people are going to remove your governments and run every aspect of the whole of Europe as one country, with no elections."

"Erm... sound?"

Yeah, sounds like it's nailed on hahaha

 

[Tubey]

Really? Common currency, European Court, legislative powers over riding national parliaments, plans for common defence policy and a European army. European central bank, elected Governments "unacceptable" to the European elite, (Greece).

Pretty Super that.

And none of that points to the disintegration of national central governments, the total stripping of sovereign power and so on.

The idea of a European superstate is ludicrous, and anyone who even suggests it immediately loses all credibility. It's simply not possible, and indeed not even the goal of anyone.

 

[rascal]

And none of that points to the disintegration of national central governments, the total stripping of sovereign power and so on.

The idea of a European superstate is ludicrous, and anyone who even suggests it immediately loses all credibility. It's simply not possible, and indeed not even the goal of anyone.

It's my goal.

 

[SNova]

I bet you look forward to the episode when they do away with all the democratically elected heads of government, so they can start on the path to world domination.

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if the elites wanted to create one world government. They are all in the same internationalist clubs, they are globalists not nationalists/patriots.

I think it is paradoxical to distrust our own elite so much as most do on here, but trust the internationalist elites. I trust neither frankly.

And none of that points to the disintegration of national central governments, the total stripping of sovereign power and so on.

The idea of a European superstate is ludicrous, and anyone who even suggests it immediately loses all credibility. It's simply not possible, and indeed not even the goal of anyone.

They are ideologically motivated just like the communists. I do not believe they will achieve their goal, but I do believe it to be their goal.

I personally think the whole will collapse just as the USSR did.

 

[roydo]

And none of that points to the disintegration of national central governments, the total stripping of sovereign power and so on.

The idea of a European superstate is ludicrous, and anyone who even suggests it immediately loses all credibility. It's simply not possible, and indeed not even the goal of anyone.

I think it is. Or at the very least, the castration of them.

Now is it possible? No. Cos they mucked up the creation of the Euro project.

But they would like it.

And I am still undecided ffs!

 

[SNova]

Ignore the witch at the beginning lads.

 

[peteblue]

And none of that points to the disintegration of national central governments, the total stripping of sovereign power and so on.

The idea of a European superstate is ludicrous, and anyone who even suggests it immediately loses all credibility. It's simply not possible, and indeed not even the goal of anyone.

Apart from Merkel......

 

[rascal]

Ignore the witch at the beginning lads.

Ignore the witch at the beginning of the video you say, but what about the total fecktard featured in the preview of that video?

 

[peteblue]

Gove outright lying about the amounts we send and receive from the EU. Complete fantasy figures.

What are the numbers then Tubey........

 

[peteblue]

Ever closer union isn't the same as a "superstate" is it, with one central government dictating all affairs.

As far as I'm aware, all member states of the European Union have elected governments. I haven't seen anything to suggest the EU has any desire whatsoever to have it any other way.

So again, your statement was over the top and ridiculous.

You are in denial mate, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck......

 

[Tubey]

I think it is. Or at the very least, the castration of them.

Now is it possible? No. Cos they mucked up the creation of the Euro project.

But they would like it.

And I am still undecided ffs!

I honestly don't think it is - indeed, the European Union isn't ideologically motivated - it's economically motivated.

What they want is an ever closer union that emphasises financial gain. They have no intent to have a superbloc, because it would make no sense - economically, it would be a disaster, as you'd have rebellions all over the place and chaos. Nobody would democratically vote for it from every member state, which is what it would theoretically take.

As you say, it's simply not possible, but not only that, I really don't think it's even desired. By anyone.

 

[Tubey]

What are the numbers then Tubey........

Instead of answering, I'll ask you to tell me exactly what the economic plan is in the event of leaving the European Union.

You won't be able to answer, as there isn't one.

The only argument seems to be "TAKE BACK CONTROL FROM DEM DER FORENERZ".

 

[peteblue]

I bet you look forward to the episode when they do away with all the democratically elected heads of government, so they can start on the path to world domination.

“I hold in my hand a piece of paper."
—Chamberlain after meeting with Hitler, 1938

 

[SNova]

Ignore the witch at the beginning of the video you say, but what about the total fecktard featured in the preview of that video?

Right, I'm not really that childish to ignore an argument because of the person arguing it. I listened to a man I disagree with, the famous Greek finance minister (I'm not going to attempt to spell his name) and he was explaining the lack of democracy in the EU and I agreed. I don't understand the constent need to attack the person not the argument.